Talk:Sons of Guns

Additional Information

If anyone can help fill in this page with additional information it would be appreciated. Details on the show are fairly scarce even though it's scheduled to premier this month and is being advertised on the Discovery Channel quite often. Xephael (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Added Cast Member

I added an upcoming cast member. User:Seven_7s (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC).

Changes Made

Changed from shotgun to AK47 and silencer to supressor on the first episode synopsis. These were huge mistakes. Mike M. —Preceding undated comment added 02:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC).

As the items were originally manufactured and patented, they are called "silencers". Am I correct in calling it a silencer? It's debatable. But, this argument will go on for another 100 years, just as it has the past 100 years. I'm only saying that either one is "correct". Silencer is the true name, and suppressor is an accurate description. Skiendog (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of huge mistakes, the summary for the Flamethrower episode mentions modifying an AK 47 to accept a 30 round magazine. GUESS WHAT? THE STANDARD AK 47 MAGAZINE IS A 30 ROUND MAGAZINE. NO MODIFICATION NEEDED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.237 (talk) 01:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You're actually grossly wrong. To quote the show Will says "America does not allow the importation of assault weapons. So what they do is built this specifically to not accept 30 round magazines. We have to change enough of the parts to change it's status". Playing Call of Duty does not equal knowledge :)<-- never played, so suck it.

MrCrackers (talk) 05:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Every AK I have ever owned has taken standard 30rd magazines. I will have to go back to that episode, watch it again, and try to figure out what he was talking about. Skiendog (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The character known as Will says a lot of shit that's wrong on the show. The rifle has no idea what size the mag is. That's why a Ruger Mini-14 will take a 30 round M-16 mag. And to address what the character known as Will said, magazine size doesn't determine what falls under the assault weapons ban. So you, MrCrackers are wrong.

Updating

Current:

I'm back....watching s02e01 now and will get on the summary. MrCrackers (talk) 02:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Archived:

Season finale (if I remember right) tonight. I'll deal (or someone else can) with getting the template ready for the next season and having a small blurb that "new season will start...." MrCrackers (talk) 09:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Up to date again. Not sure of any new episodes out this week since Discovery hasn't updated their guide. Also thinking might want to update the "Starring" panel to coincide with the Staff section, but Flemm and Mikey don't seem to have much in the way of talking roles yet. MrCrackers (talk) 00:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work... what pages are redirecting here that shouldn't? Xephael (talk) 21:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

According to "What Links Here", Brian Deck apparently had an album called Sons of Guns. Clearly not related to this article :) MrCrackers (talk) 00:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Fixed it. Gotta love Twinkle. MrCrackers (talk) 23:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Everything is up to date. Waiting for new episode to air 3/16 but I might not be able to watch until a few days later (currently on vacation) MrCrackers (talk) 23:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

This weekend I'll try to watch all the episodes from the series so far, compare against the episode guide (http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/sons-of-guns/episodes.html), and write clean synopses. I'll also add a proper episode table similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_Pawn#Episodes MrCrackers (talk) 12:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Most has been accomplished. Few problems are as follows. First, I can't locate a digital copy of S01E01 to watch (EDIT: Amazon Video on Demand beat out piracy for once). Second, I haven't watched episode 5 yet, but I'll write a non-copyright summary when I do. Third, we need a longer introduction section than what we have. Because we don't have much text outside of the table, on low resolution screens the info-box on the right will create a TON of whitespace. I don't know how to fix this (is there a wiki-table width = "float" option?).17:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Episode 5 summary is done and updated. With the above issues, someone also needs to do all the word article stuff. I don't want to :). Oh and some pages are also redirecting here that shouldn't. No idea how to fix that either. MrCrackers (talk) 18:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Episode 1 summary done. All episode summaries are copyright free and not paraphrased from the official summaries. Persistent issues above. MrCrackers (talk) 00:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

(3/9/11) With any luck I'll remember to set my computer to record an episode 13 re-broadcast this morning and I'll write the summary up soon after. And I'll keep my eye out on Discovery.com for episode 14's description to add to table, assuming 13 wasn't the last of the season. MrCrackers (talk) 06:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I see there's been quite a few updates since I last worked on this page that need incorporating. I'm pretty hammered down with work but I'll try to spend an hour today getting everything up to date (copyright free summaries) and new episodes added (2 aired + 2 unaired). MrCrackers (talk) 05:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Done. As mentioned in my edit summary, I think the page is starting to look too much like a wall-o-text so we might need to play around with alternating colors or indenting to fix this. Persistent issues remaining include a lacking introduction section. MrCrackers (talk) 06:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Adding a "Cast" section.

I've been thinking that a beneficial addition to this article would be a Cast section, similar in look to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawn_Stars#Cast . I don't think it would have to be anything on the level of the official bios on the Discovery website, but something more simple like "Will Hayden - Owner, Founder". Any comments before I implement this this weekend (or someone does it before that)? MrCrackers (talk) 04:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Got my approval. Skiendog (talk) 23:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Season 2

Any news? Nothing on IMDB or Youtube channel about a second season as of yet. Skiendog (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Formatting this talk page

I added sections. Please use the "new section" button at the top for adding a new section. This page was one giant paragraph with little to no formatting of sections. Maybe i'm just OCD like that. Skiendog (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Using copyrighted summaries...

Please refrain from copy-pasting the episode summaries from Discovery.com and not citing them. a) They're copyrighted. b) It makes it hard for myself and others to tell whether or not the episode needs a copyright free summary. 24.234.219.211 (talk) 02:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Enormous Factual Errors in the Show

Does every show have a factual error or something that just doesn't make sense?

ep. 103: Customers of the shop's store include a man looking to modify a purchased AK-47 to accept 30 round magazines.

Fake. AK's already accept 30 round magazines.

ep. 109: A movie producer visits the store and wants Will to convert a regular sub-machine gun into a gun that will only fire blanks.

Fake. Because everyone knows those don't exist in Hollwood, right?

ep. 144: A friend of Vince asks him to build a weapon which can kill an alligator humanely without damaging the valuable hide.

Fake. It's called a bangstick and we've been using them on sharks for decades. An off-the-shelf item. The idea that someone would bring a firearm to a customer demo without cleaning it? Is the employee really that stupid?

ep. 115: An active duty navy gunner asks Will to tie two M16's together for better fire support ability. However, Will tasks Joe with designing a water cooling system when the gas tube/barrel turns bright red under sustained fire, causing premature primer detonation.

Fake: They demo'ed an M-16 making the barrel glow with a 30 round magazine. Wouldn't happen. People blow through those mags all the time. Twin belt fed .50 cal boat machines are 1950's technology if not earlier. The client was a guy from "Navy Special Teams" a non-existent designation and his Lieutenant (whom he referred to as his commander, guess what... the LT is NOT your commander, he's your lieutenant) with the Hitler mustache was the oldest Lieutenant in the "Navy". This was painful to watch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.79 (talk) 08:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I just saw the episode where they rigged up dual water-cooled M-16s. I was also nonplussed by a number the elements to that part of the episode. As you already indicated, the type of role they were looking to fulfill with that rig is essentially fulfilled by machine guns. Even if they didn't want to use a .50 cal machine gun, why not just use an M249? Especially if this is really for a true military outfit, shouldn't they use weapons in the roles they are designed for rather than cobbling two weapons together to fulfill a role for which they were not designed? This informs the second problem: the customers did not appear to be in the military, or at least they were not pursuing this project as part of their official work with the military. I believe the show stated that the main customer was in the Navy. If not, the episode heavily implied it. Neither the main customer nor his "lieutenant" ever wore a proper military uniform. This, combined with their strange insistence of forcing a couple M-16s to fill the role of a machine gun makes me wonder if they were simply members of a local militia. The one fact that cuts against this possibility is that the M-16S appeared to be fully-automatic, which I do not believe civilians can readily purchase without a boatload of money in addition to obtaining the proper licensing. 160.94.91.242 (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, remember Wiki isn't meant to actually discuss the show itself but just the article. That disclaimer aside, it isn't unexpected that they exaggerate, cherry pick, or otherwise make stuff up to get good TV (consult anything TruTV airs). Did you miss the obviously gratuitous American Chopper - Sons of Guns tie together? MrCrackers (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)