Talk:Progressive Field

Name change

I have heard from a Jacobs Field employee that the field will undergo a name change following the 2006 baseball season. Should this detail be added to the article, though it is not yet firm? Robert K S 19:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. I added a line about the approaching expiration of the naming rights. - EurekaLott 02:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Robert K S 02:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The page [1] on ballparksofbaseball.com contrdicts that claim. Are you sure the guy works there? The Technodrome's Toilet 23:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

"Bug Game"

This should be retained as it was a field condition, not a event atributed to an athlete. It's like the wind at the Meadowlands or Candlestick Park. It should be associated with the venue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It would be appropriate for an article on that particular game or that particular ALDS series. A mention of midges (absent a mention of the ball game) might be appropriate for an article on the fauna of Lake Erie. But this really isn't a "field condition" unless you can show that midges regularly invade Jacobs Field during ball games. I've therefore re-removed that material. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 02:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it only happened once, but it happened in a one run game on national television. Besides there is some evidence they are common in Cleveland "Midges like to breed on warm fall nights near bodies of water. Cleveland’s Jacobs Field is right alongside Lake Erie. Also, they’re attracted to light, and a Major League baseball park has a lot of those burning during a night game. Midges are a common sight in Cleveland on June and July evenings, but not a welcome on in October the Yankees." http://www.smm.org/buzz/buzz_tags/midges —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 22:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• I agree with the first statement, The Bug Game should have been moved it needed its own catigory.Thewiseeye3400 (talk) 00:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

RFC

I've added a request for comments to get a third opinion on the appropriateness of mentioning the "bug game" in this article. To whoever visits here to take a look at this, the above discussion pretty much sums up our positions. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 07:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

RFCxxx template in article

I have removed the RFCxxx template from the article, RFCxxx templates should be placed on discussion pages, not in articles. See RFC Instructions no 2 Create a section for the RfC on the bottom of the disputed article's talk page and 3 Place the template at the top of the new section DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 04:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and sorry for the confusion. The instructions on the individual templates' pages suggest that you're supposed to add the template to the article itself. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 20:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

New name

It appears that the stadium will be getting a new name. The Plain Dealer is reporting that it will be called Progressive Field. We'll need to move the page, but it I think it would be wise to wait until the name is officially announced. - Eureka Lott 04:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, there should be a more concrete reference to attach to the page before a move actually happens. The blog section of the Plain Dealer's website tends to be a bit faster and looser with news reports, and there's always the slim chance that there could be a hoax involved. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 04:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

There's been a lot of activity on the article in the past day. Some edits replaced instances of Jacobs Field with Progressive Field, but this change left some nonsensical passages, such as the discussion of renaming in the lead, which took on the incorrect implication of a renaming away from Progressive Field. Let's wait until the name change is official--not just officially announced but actually in effect--to perform the article move and the search-and-replace, performed intelligently so as not to leave any such non-sequiturs. Until then it suffices to note that the ballpark is about to be renamed. (Incidentally, I was surprised to return to this talk page and discover that I had originally brought up the issue of the name change some months ago. The skepticism my remark met seems pretty silly now.) Robert K S (talk) 10:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Three cheers for people not reading the talk page before making major changes to the article, huh? --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 21:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to remove "The Prog" from the page. It can't have a nickname already :) Jeez. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. I've heard 'The Prog' tossed around, but I hardly think it's worthy of saying it's the nickname at this point.-Colslax (talk) 07:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Pardon my move and edits, but why does The Jake need a corporate alias? Perhaps the Indians are doing this for the money. In olden times, stadiums were named for the team (i.e. Angel or Dodger Stadium) or the location (San Diego Stadium/Jack Murphy Stadium). Now, teams are naming there stadiums after huge corporations for the sake of advertising. 2008BaseballFan (talk) 03:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Lots of stadiums have corporate names, including Quicken Loans Arena which is next door. At least it isn't Preparation H Park.THD3 (talk) 03:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Like it or not (personally I hate it) it's nothing new. Corporate names on stadiums date back to, at least, the 1950's. Just be glad the uniforms don't have large ads on them like major league level sport teams in other parts of the world yet. But I'm sure it's coming. StrayKat99 (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Aesthetically, I agree with you completely. I still call the basketball arena "The Gund", and it's been years since they changed the name. However, Wikipedia has to stay NPOV, and that means that it portrays an unbiased representation of the facts as they are listed in verifiable sources. In this case, that means that the new name for the ballpark has to be the context the article primarily uses, though it should also discuss the "Jacobs Field" name and its history. Please, let's not bicker and argue about 'oo killed 'oo have edit wars over the article name based on individual opinions. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 04:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

This is the epotime is advertising, what's next? Naming Fenway Park "Fleet Bank Field?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.17.129 (talk) 03:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Corporate sponsorship is common. Is there not a Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland? And was there not a Fleet Garden in Boston before it was renamed as TD Banknorth Garden?THD3 (talk) 16:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Only recently, you're talking about the Gund Arena. Besides, these deals usually don't work. Angel Stadium and Ballpark in Arlington's corporate nicknames didn't last too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.17.129 (talk) 13:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm "talking" about Quicken Loans Arena, formerly known as Gund Arena.THD3 (talk) 20:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC) Quicken Loans is owned by Dan Gilbert and he also owns the cavaliers. It is just like Gilbert naming the arena Gilbert Arena. These are the same standards that are used with the old naming patterns. The difference is that Progressive does not own the Cleveland Indians. Progressive paid the county millions for naming rights while cutting jobs at the same time. 71.186.99.94 (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit history has vanished

What happened to the edit history of this article? There are now four edits in the edit history, and the version of the article seems to be older than the one I was reading and working on earlier in the day. Did User:2008BaseballFan do something that destroyed the article's edit history? Robert K S (talk) 03:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It was moved to Jacobs Field, then some version was copy-pasted back, and you made Jacobs Field a redirect. Tell me where it should all be, and I'll put the pieces back together. Gimmetrow 04:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I put the old Jacobs Fields logo back on the page. In response to the second name placed on this baseball field, User:Gimmetrow deleted the Prog/Jake's page history and all of the Prog/Jake's article revisions. Now it looks as if the page was newly created again. There is nothing I can do further about this "naming rights deal". 2008BaseballFan (talk) 04:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

User:2008BaseballFan moved the page back to Jacobs Field and reverted nearly all of the recent edits prior to making changes. User:Gimmetrow repaired most of the damage, and I restored the page to its last stable version. I think we should be in good shape until the next joker comes along - Eureka Lott 04:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

All the article revisions from both Jacobs and Progressive are still in the edit history. For instance, here are the edits 2008BaseballFan made, though for some reason the editor started from an older version with minor changes. Gimmetrow 04:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks like everything is back in order now. Thanks to all involved. Robert K S (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Anachronistic name use?

In the sentence "Progressive Field contributed to the revitalization of downtown Cleveland. Opened in 1994 as the new home of the Cleveland Indians, whom had formerly shared Cleveland Stadium with the NFL's Cleveland Browns.", Progressive Field should be changed back to Jacobs Field as that was the park's name during 1994 and the "revitalization of downtown Cleveland" which the sentence refers to.--68.73.75.201 (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

A more thorough rephrasing of the sentence should resolve any ambiguity. If my changes are still problematic, please let me know. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 21:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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"Prog"

Where did this nickname come from? I didn't think there were any major nicknames yet. I've also heard the "Pro" used, but just in colloquial speech. Spencer^T♦C 02:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• I have heard both of those but I still hear "The Jake" far more often as either the pro or prog. the nick name should remain the jake until a new nickname is used more often (as the case with the Q/gund), which I don't believe will happen for a long time. <Baseballfan789 (talk) 22:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

"The Prog" is gaining usage; I see one instance on the Plain Dealer website: http://www.cleveland.com/goingout/index.ssf/2008/03/cleveland_indians_fans_line_up.html . We're probably not yet ready to change the nickname, but it is something to watch. -- JeffBillman (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to follow up, I have not heard the Prog once in the past couple months. The Jake is still used frequently by Clevelanders and Indians fans. Frank Anchor ^{Talk to me} 02:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, in the last few days, I have heard both Chuck Galeti (WOIO) and Tony Rizzo (WJW) use the term "the Pro". Mapsax (talk) 00:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC) (Edit 1:) In addition, anchor Tim White (WKYC) has used "Pro Field" recently. Mapsax (talk) 19:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC) (Edit 2:) If I heard correctly, add Mark "Munch" Bishop (WKNR). Mapsax (talk) 19:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, I was at an Indians game recently. I didn't hear "the Prog", but I heard "the Pro" used several times during the day. This was not by the media, but by the attendees.THD3 (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

"It doesn't matter what you call it -- Jacobs Field, The Jake, Progressive Field, The Prog...." We now have "The Prog" in writing in what I see as a reliable source, plus the analogy of Jacobs Field:The Jake::Progressive Field:The Prog showing that "The Jake" is as obsolete as "Jacobs Field", so I'm going to change the nickname in the article. "The Jake" will survive there as historical mention. I would surmise that the only ones left calling it "The Jake" still don't recognize the name change to Progressive Field. Mapsax (talk) 11:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Simultaneous construction not right

The statement, "The Gateway ballpark and arena were the first sports facilities in the United States to be constructed simultaneously at the same location." is inaccurate. Arrowhead Stadium and (then) Royals Stadium were constructed at the same time with Arrowhead opening in Aug. 1972 and Royals Stadium opening in Apr. 1973.