User talk:Ieuan Sant

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Hello, Ieuan Sant! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking

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Speedy deletion nomination of Confessio Londinensis

A tag has been placed on Confessio Londinensis requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader.

August 2010

Your recent edits removed content from Talk:Guido de Bres. You must not delete content form article talk pages. If you persist in this behaviour you will be blocked. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC) I assumed I could control my own talk page, if it is not allowed I will respect the rules in future. Ieuan Sant (talk) 20:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit your own talk page (User talk:Ieuan Sant) at will (although it's not acceptable to modify others' posts), but you can't remove your posts or modify others' posts from article talk pages like Talk:Guido de Bres and others' talk pages. See this tutorial: Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Collaborating with Other Editors/Communicating with Your Fellow Editors, especially the two "Editing or Deleting Existing Comments" sections (one for article talk pages, one for user talk pages). Markussep ^Talk 21:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a lot of data available for the London Confession but it is a very important confession of faith an needs patience to see it develop. The problems of Wikki is that well intentioned edits and start up pages are often killed dead by enthusiastic editors who use the rules for their own purposes. The Wikki will not develop well unless people work together.

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Contents 1 Please do not bite the newcomers 2 How to avoid being a "biter" 3 What to do if you feel you have "bitten" or have been bitten 4 Common newcomer errors 5 Ignorantia juris may excuse 6 See also

[edit] Please do not bite the newcomers Understand that newcomers are both necessary for and valuable to the community. By empowering newcomers, we can improve the diversity of knowledge, perspectives, and ideals on Wikipedia, thereby preserving its neutrality and integrity as a resource and ultimately increasing its value. In fact, it has been found that newcomers are responsible for adding the majority of lasting content to Wikipedia (i.e., substantive edits); while insiders and administrators are responsible for a large bulk of total edits, these often involve tweaking, reverting, and rearranging content.[1] Remember, our motto and our invitation to the newcomer is be bold. We have a set of rules, standards, and traditions, but they must not be applied in such a way as to thwart the efforts of newcomers who take that invitation at face value. A newcomer brings a wealth of ideas, creative energy, and experience from other areas that, current rules and standards aside, have the potential to better our community and Wikipedia as a whole. It may be that the rules and standards need revising or expanding; perhaps what the newcomer is doing "wrong" may ultimately improve Wikipedia. Observe for a while and, if necessary, ask what the newcomer is trying to achieve before concluding that their efforts are substandard or that they are simply "wrong." If a newcomer seems to have made a small mistake (e.g., forgetting to put book titles in italics), try to correct it yourself: do not slam the newcomer. Remember, this is a place where anyone may edit and therefore it is in every sense each person's responsibility to edit, rather than to criticize or supervise others. Do not use bad manners or swear at newcomers, or they may not want to contribute to this website again. Ieuan Sant (talk) 10:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC) Ieuan Sant (talk) 10:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC) Ieuan Sant (talk) 10:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Abuse of process Abuse of process is related to gaming. It involves knowingly trying to use the communally agreed and sanctioned processes described by some policies, to advance a purpose for which they are clearly not intended. Abuse of process is disruptive, and depending on circumstances may be also described as gaming the system, personal attack, or disruption to make a point. Communally agreed processes are intended to be used in good faith.

Ieuan Sant (talk) 10:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you don't think my and Jezhotwells' comments on your work at the Guido de Bray/Bres article were abusive, they were certainly not meant that way. My main concern was that you continued editing an obsolete article, and literally refused to edit the existing article "Guido de Bres". I'm still offering to help you with a renaming discussion, but there's no guarantee that the outcome will be "Guido de Bray", since that really depends on what's the best title (i.e. most used in reliable English language sources). Some other advice: please check your spelling, especially in names, don't use a source in a language you can't really read (e.g. "Chent Chen"), and don't rely on one single source. Best regards, Markussep ^Talk 12:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wales

I have put the Wales article forward for GA status. It just needs tweaking, and maybe a heavy-handed swipe from outside to get it in place. I am writing to those who are constant contributors and defenders of Wales and Welsh articles, to not scream at me for doing this, but to help get the article through. If we fail, we fail, there is nothing wrong with that; but Wales should be a Good Article at least and if it takes good intentioned amateurs to reach that then so be it. FruitMonkey (talk) 01:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am with you all the way Fruit Monkey. I find the Wales main page too busy and not very well written, I think it needs a complete overhaul. Best wishes.Ieuan Sant (talk) 11:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Upper Case In Titles

Many titles in Wikkipedia are in lower case, how can the tile page be editted? Rules of Titles: Titles should always be capitalised in including the first and last word no matter the length, minor words should be lower case but all other words in a titles should be uppercase (captialised), see: Collins Cobuild English Usage Helping Learners with Real English 1999. Ieuan Sant (talk) 12:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby union is not a proper noun. Rugby union is correct. FruitMonkey (talk) 12:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format gives the Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The work you cite above does not have precedence over that. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) this guideline is more specific. You're right when it comes to capitalisation of book and film titles, but for other titles it's generally lower case for the second and further words. Markussep ^Talk 12:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fuit Monkey: You may be right bit in my thinking the name of a game is Rugby Union as agianst Rugby League. But I will consider what you have said and will relax on the correct form of Titles until I get a clearer view. thanks for responding- Cymru am bith! Ieuan Sant (talk) 13:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Titles Upper and Lower Case

I have read the guidelines on Titles, and think they are wrong. I shall take it to the Village Pump and have a good moan.Ieuan Sant (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]