Talk:Odd Nerdrum

Useful heading?

Why are these persons in see also section? feydey 00:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Laila carlsen was speedied for A7, so that at least can go. Darkspots 02:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

see also

• Ernst Fuchs
• Mark Ryden
• Laila carlsen student of Nerdrum
• Antonio Roybal

Draft for rewrite

Material that needs rewriting: far too similar to apparent source, here. Tearlach 20:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

While showing some affinity in technique with Rembrandt and Caravaggio, Nerdrum's paintings are undoubtedly contemporary and depict many of the anxieties we feel about the modern world. From the 1980s onward, his work took on a more mythical appearance with figures roaming through an apocalyptic landscape. In the spring of 1986, Odd Nerdrum visited Iceland for the first time. He then started to use the landscape in Iceland as backdrops for his allegorical paintings. It is sometimes difficult to tell whether the paintings show the past, present or future. Perhaps this is the point they are timeless. There was growing unease and tension in his paintings in the early 1990s. Relations between men and women appear strained, but there is a more conciliatory spirit in some lighter works produced in the summer of 1997. Themes recently seem to be centred around gender and the metamorphosis of the human body, seen in any works depicting hermaphrodite figures in which man and woman merge. Other works show the images of the artist asleep. It is even possible that these images are metaphors for death or other anxieties. Of course in common with most of his work there is a degree of mystery and this is what gives his work its compelling and imaginative qualities. In Odd Nerdrum's new body of work he continues his exploration of the human condition. This time, however, he removes the figure from the Icelandic landscape. Nerdrum’s places the figures floating in space. Human beings are depicted suspended in space, embracing, wrestling, struggling, and floating helplessly. The people are naked and everything else connected with earthly needs, such as gravity and consumption is removed.

Saving bibliography until correct format implemented

Odd Nerdrum:Paintings,Sketches and drawings by Richard Vine.

Odd Nerdrum: Paintings by Jan-Erik Ebbestad Hansen

Odd Nerdrum:Storyteller and Self Revealer by Jan-Åke Pettersson.

Odd Nerdrum: Drawings by Odd Nerdrum.

Odd Nerdrum: Themes by Odd Nerdrum and Bjorn Li.

Source needed for painting technique

Per WP:BLP I am removing the following unsourced content. I'll take a look tomorrow and see of I can find the source unless the editor who added this material sources it. (olive (talk) 01:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC))

He works up the painting in many layers. In a the January 1999 edition of ArtNews he is quoted as saying, "I paint over and over again, so the paint becomes transparent. I scrape down and layer up. A painting acquires a history that you can't fabricate. You never succeed, you have to keep trying. I see my mistakes all the time--they scream out at me like a soft mosaic requiring endless work... Today you cannot just be another 17th century master, another copy, a repetition. You have to be the best."

He has studied Rembrandt and other masters extensively. Which is especially evident in his rendering of flesh which at times seems so tangible that it transcends the fact that it is only paint on linen. Contrary to the trend of contemporary art, he values the work of the artist's hand (often derogatorily refered to as "le patte" [the paw] by Duchamp).

Update: It looks as if this content is taken from an advertisement in ARTnews that contained Nerdrum's comments. That advertisement is not available online. I'll see of I can get the original magazine, but then we still have to deal with whether the ad itself can be considered a reliable source. I have two of Nerdrum's books and will check the newest one for information on painting technique.(olive (talk) 18:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC))

Researching Nerdrum

Although I own several Nerdum's books and have read a fair amount about him... there is very little in the sources about his techniques. Painters, the accomplished ones seldom talk about how they do what they do, it seems...For that reason, for now, I am including quoted comments as few as they are to explain what and how Nerdrum painted. The words are poetic and only direct quotes can fairly illustrate what he means. As I and others find more sources content can be added to fill out areas that are for now pretty scant.(olive (talk) 02:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC))

Here I have begun a little list of references, with translations of titles, &c.

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 23:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Refs

The reference section on this article is a bit of a mess. I'm working on it slowly but surely. Help welcome.(olive (talk) 03:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC))

Place of birth

I tried to add Nerdrum's place of birth, Helsingborg, but I couldn't due to some stupid template.

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, EPadmirateur!

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 11:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Nerdrum's full name

His full name (as per taxation records) is Odd Olaf Nerdrum. Again, I don't know how to add this.

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 22:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

This is not a definitive source... That is, we assume the 1944-birth-date Nerdrum, is the Odd Nerdrum we are talking about, but we don't have a source that says that. While primary sources can be fine to use in regards to the subject of themselves, they have to be used with care . In this case we have a primary source, a first concern, then the source does not explitcitley state this is the Odd Nerdrum. We can assume it is, but that's probably not good enough for Wikipedia. I don't see a WP:RS where Nerdum's second name is used, even in the biography on his own website where he has oversight. All in all, unless we can find another RS source that uses this second name it probably best to leave it out.(olive (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

Norsk biografisk leksikon (NBL).

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Is this source a dictionary? Because this is an Englishh Wikipedia an English source would be best, but if this source is a dictionary it might be an acceptable source for this kind of information... As a thought, you might want to write an article on Odd Nerdrum concurrent with this one in Norwegian Wikipedia.(olive (talk) 21:07, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

Rembrandt's The Conspiracy of Claudius Civilis and Simeon in the Temple in the National Museum of Fine Arts, Stockholm

The Rembrandt paintings in the National Museum of Fine Arts, Stockholm, that inspired Nerdrum at age 18 are The Conspiracy of Claudius Civilis (see also here) and Simeon in the Temple. "Simon" in the newspaper article is a grotesque mistake for Simeon. (One would expext Nunc dimittis to be well known.)

There is some confusion as to the English title of the Simeon in Stockholm (see also here). The Swedish title used by Nationalmuseum is Simeon i templet, that is, Simeon in the Temple. The Simeon in Stockholm should not be confused with Rembranth's two early paintings—sometimes also referred to as Simeon in the Temple—the Simeon in Hamburg from 1628 (see also here) and the Simeon in the Hauge from 1631 (see also here).

The Stockholm Simeon in the Temple is the painting that Nerdrum is seen watching in the photo in the article (turning his back on the camera, since he would have it no other way). This is Rembrandt's last painting, found unfinished on his easel after his death. (The Conspiracy of Claudius Civilis is in the right hand corner of the photo.)

I have edited the material from the Dagbladet article. I have also edited the footnote, so that it links to the article and not to Google Translate. At a later stage, it would be good to replace or supplement this newspaper article (that even manages to confuse Simeon with Simon) with the original four-page article in Kunst, the art magazine on which the newspaper article is based. (See photo of the magazine's front cover in the article.)

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I edited a little per the Vine source and left out the Simeon In The Temple reference since neither Vine or Nerdrum's own site mentions the painting. The sourcing in the article is poor and needs a lot of work, and we need more content. Its nice to have someone else working on this article. I'd started but there's a lot to be done.(olive (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

Translations

As I see it, Google Translate should not be relied on, nor linked to. If translations from Norwegian are needed, please just bring this up on this page or on my talk page, and I'll be glad to help, time allowing.

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 18:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree that online translators are not particularly accurate...But I'd like to check and make sure a translation by an editor is considered reliable. I think there are enough sources in English that we could stick with those for the most part on the English Wikipedia.(olive (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

Thanks for your generous offer to translate. I've asked for input here to make sure such translations would be considered reliable by the community before you go to the trouble of translating any of the sources.(olive (talk) 21:45, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

Should have checked myself. WP:NOENG describes best practices for translation, and.... so pleased to have a translator available. (olive (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC))

Business relationship with The Nerdrum Institute

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/05/11/kultur/kunst/odd_nerdrum/11674491/

The article should probably mention the business relationsip between The Nerdrum Institute and Odd Nerdrum.

(My understanding is that they currently hold the rights to sell his forthcoming paintings, to some degree.)--Hirzflag (talk) 09:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)