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please refer here: http://www.cnnturk.com/2008/dunya/08/13/tahranda.turkce.konusarak.islerinizi.yapabilirsiniz/490276.0/index.html , has claimed that Tehran has a population about 12 million and half of its population is Azeri"(İran'ın başkenti Tahran'ın nüfusu 12 milyon. Bu 12 milyonun neredeyse yarısı Azeri)

And refer here: http://www.frmartuklu.net/ulke-kulturleri/27866-iran-zengin-ve-guzel-ulke.html, says that "of 3 person in Tehran city, one is azeri"(Tahran'da her üç kişiden birisi Azerice konuşuyor), According to Hurriyet magazine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anticipatorr (talk • contribs) 14:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first reference is not an actual census but an opinion of a person in CNN Turk which hardly meets WP:RS due to lack of qualification. Talking to a Taxi driver in Azeri hardly is a valid method of making a hypothesis. See WP:RS.
  • The second source is a forum news report and the reliability of person is not known.

The statistics in the article currently includes University Professor who have done research in the area:

  • Mohammad Jalal Abbasi-Shavazi, Peter McDonald, Meimanat Hosseini-Chavoshi, "The Fertility Transition in Iran: Revolution and Reproduction", Springer, 2009. pp 100-101: "The first category is 'Central' where the majority of people are Persian speaking ethnic Fars (provinces of Fars, Hamedan, Isfahan, Markazi, Qazvin, Qom, Semnan, Yazd and Tehran..."
  • [1] from a Professor of sociology in Tehran who has spent

two years on sampling various districts. Both of these meet WP:RS as they are specialized studies done by Professors of sociology, but the authors of your pieces, no one knows their academic credential and reliability. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 14:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All studies you have claimed are Islamic Republic of Iran government related sources and are not reliable and neutral and attempt to neglect non Persian residents of Tehran Anticipatorr (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They meet WP:RS as they are published by established academic sources. The first source is published by Springer. The Professor is well cited in google scholars in academic journals [2] and Peter Macdonald is American. The second source is sociology deparment of Tehran and the burden of proof is on you to show it is unreliable. You have to show sociology deparment of Tehran with this statistics is unreliable, and just because it is published in Iran, it does not make it unreliable since it is tied to an academic institution which publishes many peer reviewed journals and articles in international peer-reviewed journals. An actual statistics by sociology deparment of Tehran university meets WP:RS. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note Sociology and Demography department of Tehran gets close to 5000 hits in google scholars in peer-reviewed publications, so it cannot be removed. However, the source can be attributed and one can say, According to Tehran University Sociology Department.. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 15:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I personally agree with anticipator, because only an article can not determine ethnic composition of such a great city, an article that its autors are government related and are not independent.Jimmycardiel (talk) 17:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Persians & Azeris and Tehran

first of all, I think both Persians and Azeris should accept each other as their neighbor/friend/citizen/... and this should be the base of any helpful discussion. any other assumption will be nonsense and I think won't lead to an helpful discussion. As a foreign spectator (which may not completely foreign but I'll try to be unbiased here however I'm an Azeri...) and may not with in depth spectrum of the subject, I can say something that in 70% of the cases two parts doesn't pay attention to the fact that you/we should accept some facts which one of the very primitive is the existence of both ppl/culture/language in the region. and second the modern (or even post-modern) way of thinking among men. We're living in totally different era, (just take glance to Europe or North America as an example...) people usually couldn't reach a compromise over mostly dialectic and usually fallacious discussions and reasonings. and each just express his/her thoughts without any burnish or let to be polished by some criticism. isolate mono-logs with their one-sided and totally biased followers....

  • the fact is usually the truth is something mix, many sided, and maybe always vague. don't expect any clear and deterministic resolution for such things. and won't believe any final solution or reason. let your mind open to changes
  • our history, as the people of middle east, are much complicated and disputed than any other region. there is many reason and as previous fact, prone to controversy. but I believe if you look more precisely to the way of thinking/governing/communicate in the region you will find "the Pattern"!. look at our history!!!!! {Persians,Turks,Iran,...} there is more than 10 versions of them. you can not neither prove nor reject them totally {actually because it just use a part of a reality for its justifications}. I think this is not the matter of truth to choose one of your version as logical, desired, or any other thing; actually it's the way of your thinking/philosophy and actually your taste of politics which determine the historical version that would be desirable. being Religious, Nationalist, Liberal, Pro-West, Pro-Iran/Persian/Azeri/Armenian,..., or belonging to educated, bazaar, non-educated, villagers, reach, poor,... all are the actual (and usually psychological) roots of the way how one person arrange his/her justifications {don't be sure about reasons :D}.
  • according the previous fact We (especially our intellectuales and historian} have not seat and talk about these things to make it more clear, yet. every group are just developing their ideas and if you pay more attention you can't find any long-term academic conversation about these subjects. this is not just about Persian/Azeri/Armenian/Kurd.... this is common in many other aspects of our life. I just seeing contentions. there is no talk {especially in the contemporary meaning}.
  • the fact is that the Azeris should admit the Persians spirits of many cities of the central provinces of iran (such as Hamadan, Qazvin, Markazi, Qom) especially the Tehran. this shows the Persian majority of the city. and this is why many Azeris and others in the city speaks Persian. this is because they're naturally adopting themselves to the conditions {and Persians should be welcome to this}.
  • another fact is Tehran fate, history, and reality is convolved with existence of their minorities especially the Azeris. many friend or citizen from this side should accept the reality that Azeri Turks are exist. and they can't draw wall or any other separation or barrier to this. there is many villages and towns around the region which had Azeri inhabitants and now they're part of the cities. I think we should accept the fact that Tehran has been place on or clearly close the demographic borders. fortunately Tehran has been well documented in the past and if you be fair, I'm sure you (both Azeris and Persians) will find the track of each other around.
  • It's non-sense to "Just" judge the history based on the language. It's a very common fallacy that you just judge on part of the truth. As far as I read history of this region you have all beautiful ingredients of this mosaics. I don't want to talk about the exact borders which I don't know but to me it's very clear that this region {in the scale of Tehran region} you can find all these ingredients at least for 1000 year co-existance. "So there is long history of co-existence" . neither Azeri Turks nor Persians can deny this existence. btw, pay attention to more regional point of view, you must consider the neighboring demography of Azerbaijani provinces and Persian provinces. you can't think of Tehran as something demographically isolated from its neighbors. I think this has been missed in many claims. It's funny to me to isolate the region and actually provide some justification {usually due to racism}.
  • another fact is "Past is Past", we have passed the age of tribal wars, and tribal identity {we're as a 3rd world nation may not :D}. I don't talk about Iran,... I just saying that we shouldn't see each other in "Tribal Point of View". I'm ok with controversy about different languages and identities in Iran, and I'm not advocating the central theory of defining iran. I don't talk about that, I just want to emphasize on humanity. and have more humanistic point of view when we talk to each other. " Past is Past" to me means whatever the history was we should pay attention to this fact that we're living in new era which give every human being (and actually living being) its principal rights which are, freedom and dignity. I just want to take your attention more to the other aspect of this co-existence. See European Union I mean that {at least in humanity point of view}. this is because "Past is Past". Nationalism, Racism, Tribalism, and any other form of Fascism (e.g ^_^)... will have a serious effect on our society. keep in mind that we can't take "Culture" from these. There is need to talk about this issues, but there is the necessity to understand that friendly talk is quiet possible. we just should pay more attention to ourself. Land isn't holy the holy things are people...we should take our focus to people, the ourselves.

We'll live together, we're becoming more and more closer. I hope to have more peaceful, friendlier and happier society then.Freedomist (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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INTRO

In the introduction it states that "However it is suggested that 5 million should migrate out of the city." There is no source for this information and it seems like opinion. Ucimatty (talk) 12:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)ucimatty[reply]

Agreed, and there's no context either. I'm removing it. 64.180.40.100 (talk) 00:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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