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WebCite archiving update

Hi Toshio. I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to keep you up to date on the Webcite archiving stuff. I ran across this bot discussion recently, which was very encouraging. But I'm not sure how this would work because I believe the bot operator still has this restriction in place on his original account. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that people are still working on the archivng stuff. Best regards. - Hydroxonium (TCV) 03:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Hydroxonium. I will try to get in contact with User:Gwern and ask him, if his script at [1] is ready to be run on the English Wikipedia. If we could make this accessible on the toolserver or even integrate it into the toolbox, this would be the solution I would prefer. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Arbcom restriction doesn't apply here as the daemon in question would be purely read-only as far as Wikipedia is concerned - it just is fed (non-Wikipedia) URLs through a text file and does stuff with them. You could run it off a dump of the external links if you wanted.
The real problem is that WebCite chokes IPs to one URL per 20-30 seconds. Hence it would be utterly impossible to attack even a tiny subset of Wikipedia's URLs. (At one URL per 30 seconds, my local daemon can barely keep up with a heavily filtered list of personal URLs!) Unless you get permission and support from Gunther or whomever runs WebCite these days, and can archive URLs at a rate more like a couple hundred or thousand URLs per second, there's not much point in looking at my daemon. You would be better off compiling a list of URLs and asking WebCite to archive the list at its leisure (it was supposed to have this feature years ago...) --Gwern (contribs) 21:37 13 July 2011 (GMT)
What about a possible whitelisting of your IP for high speed archiving? As far as I know, another user tried to get such a whitelisting, however I don't know if it has ever been granted to that user or how open WebCite generally would be to such a whitelisting of a single IP. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 01:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
One can ask. Previous emails to WebCite leaves me pessimistic about a reply or such a white-listing. In any event, I could not commit to archiving for Wikipedia, so someone else would have to run it - my own connection and personal situation don't allow for consistent long-term commitments to anything but my own personal projects. --Gwern (contribs) 02:40 14 July 2011 (GMT)
@Toshio, Thanks for the help and stuff. I appreciate your continued support.
@Gwern, thanks for the input and your software efforts. They are much appreciated. I too, have been unable to get in touch with Gunther recently, but I will try again as he seemed very interested in working with us when he joined our discussion back in February. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (TCV) 02:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion on VPR you may be interested in

Hey, I am seeking community input regarding a partnership with the Internet Archive on external links and thought you might be interested. It is available here. Thanks, --Kevin Brown (talk) 04:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Kevin. I replied at Village pump. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Prime classes

I had missed your comment two weeks ago. Thanks for the heads-up; I fixed the problem at User:CRGreathouse/Tables of special primes.

CRGreathouse (t | c) 02:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

Rcsprinter (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

Thanks for uploading the new Uni of London Logo Toshio and for your efforts on Talk:University of London. I agree that the arms is less recognisable and more decorative. Their new logo is more a representation of the institution. Thanks 193.32.30.68 (talk) 09:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC) Daniel[reply]

Talk Back

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at GB fan's talk page.

You're the best

Toshio, you're the best. Your idea at the village pump to archive citations for FA's looks like it's getting the attention of the community. I just wanted to stop by and thank you for your help. That was a great idea and I really appreciate your work on this issue. Thanks very much. - Hydroxonium (TCV) 19:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am also very happy to see that receiving a wider input from the community. It seems we have to start at a small scale first. If this gets consensus and yields satisfying results, then I think it will be much easier to extent it to all articles on the English Wikipedia. :) Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I have a good feeling about this one. Thanks again. - Hydroxonium (TCV) 19:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 Chzz  ►  16:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello Toshio,

The day after tomorrow, I will be traveling to East Africa for the next six months. I will have limited access to the Internet while on my trip. I will be back in North America in late February 2012. I hope to resume editing on Wikipedia in March 2012. Thanks. Fsmatovu (talk) 19:04, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at User talk:Fsmatovu#Splitting list of conglomerates. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Article

So I made a subpage,from what you told me to do, and I typed out what I'm planning to have in my article....can other people look at my subpage? If I wanted to get their opinion on my article? Also can I add a photo? sorry I have alot of questions :) Jkathleen88 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at your article draft. The most important thing is you need to establish Shane Stevens notability (see Wikipedia:Notability). Briefly that means the information in your article needs to come from reliable sources (see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources) independent of the subject (see Wikipedia:Independent sources). For example articles in newspapers are generally good sources and often websites. Everything in a Wikipedia article needs already to have been published somewhere else (see also Wikipedia:Citing sources for more information on that).
So what you should do next is show where the information in your article draft comes from. Name the website, book or magazine where you got the information. This is needed because all information in Wikipedia articles must have been previously published elsewhere.
You can request feedback on your article at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback. In the current state however they will most likely tell you the same as I did here.
Regarding the photo, you can do that. You have to first upload the photo in order to add it to your article (see Help:Files for more information). Generally, all images used on Wikipedia must have been published under a free license, although there are some exceptions. If you have a specific photo and need to figure out whether it is under a free license or not, you can ask at Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions.
I know this is a long answer, so if you need further help with something, you can always come back and ask me here or at the Help desk.
Best, Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I'm going to start getting sources, if it's alright (when I finish that) will you look at it again for me? and just let me know what you think? I have a picure already, so I'm going to attempt to get that up as well......we'll see Thank you for all your help!  :)Jkathleen88 (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. :) If you have developed your draft further, just let me know and I will take a look at it. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also...my account says I need to create my userpage...what am I supposed to write? Jkathleen88 (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On your userpage, you can put some information about yourself, if you like (but you are not required to provide any information). It is best, not to provide any contact details (such as email addresses), as this could lead to you receiving spam (see also Wikipedia:User pages for more general information). Many users decide to put userboxes on their userpages (see Wikipedia:Userboxes) to tell others about themselves, but again this is completely optional. If there is information about you which you do not want the entire internet to know (such as where you live or your eMail adress), it is best not to provide such information (remember that people such as spammers also may have access to such information). Many editors choose to give information about what their interests here at Wikipedia are (what kind of articles they edit etc.). If you want to have some ideas on how your userpage should look, you can take a look at Wikipedia:User page design center. Finally, there are some things which you may not put in your userspace (see What may I not have in my user pages?). Best :). Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey in the interest of keeping you in the loop I'd like to let you know we have a sample of ArchiveLinks available at Commons Prototype. Thanks, --Kevin Brown (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Kevin. Just a question. When I click on the cache link, it says Resource is not in archive. Does it simply take a while for the Internet Archive Wayback Machine to make the link available or is there some other issue? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Toshio. I'm not certain, but I think it's an issue with the Internet Archive. I checked several of Kevin's tests and most worked flawlessly, but some acted strange. A few would initially stated "hrm....", but would go to the archive if I clicked a second time. - Hydroxonium (TCV) 20:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The extension is currently set up to function in one of two modes. The first is where you run a spider locally and download and store all the pages yourself. Another is where you can have the extension generate of feed of new links that have been added to the wiki for an external archive service (archive.org in this case) to crawl and archive on demand. The way we are looking of going for a wikimedia deployment is route #2 due to the security risks of going the first way, as well as the overhead of managing the legal aspects. Viney Goel at archive.org has been working on having their spiders consume the feed on their end and archive everything that they need to. When this (hopefully) gets deployed in addition the extension should provide the link to the archive of when the page was first added, which will be stored in a new database table. There are no plans to check if a link is valid before putting it on the page since link generation is going on at the time of rendering and doing something that would needlessly increase rending time several fold. So just because a link exists on a page it may not actually work. Anyways I hope this answers your questions, if you have anything else please feel free to fire away :D. --Kevin Brown (talk) 03:53, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]