User talk:Franamax

To keep discussions coherent, I will usually answer in the talk page where the first message was placed.

If I left you a message in another talk page, please answer there: I will have it on my watch list.

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Welcome!

Hello, Franamax, welcome Wikipedia! Hope little Franamax like. Here helpful pages:

Hope little user enjoy and edit smart like Bishzilla! Please sign talk pages using, er ... many tildes (~~~~) ('zilla can only count to three, regret!), clever automagic feature. If helpless, check out questions wikipedia, ask on 'zilla talk, or put {{helpme}} on own talk, get help soon. Again, welcome!

Now that's a welcome page, had to steal it myself. Thanks Bishzilla! Franamax 02:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		You are an honor to know and an honorable person. Thank you for going out of your way to help me during a time of trouble. I couldn't think of a way to say thank you so I hope this shows you how much what you did for me means. I also agree with what you had to say. Thank you again, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Links to userpsace

Hi, I'd like to know why these two pages link to User:White Cat/Wikistress status. Thanks -- Cat ^chi? 09:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Presumably Kirill edited those pages often enough to get on those reports. All those pages need to be blanked anyway, I've been putting it off for a while now. Franamax (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah OK. I was just confused. :) -- Cat ^chi? 00:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Just a note

If Beyond my Ken mentions it, the message I posted to his talk page is not meant as harmfull, the if you guys like, i'll be happy to discuss the reason behind it on my talk page, thanks. Comet Egypt I Am Mewtwo 05:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1RR

You mentioned why 1RR wasn't tried. If you go back and check the discussions it was brought up several times, even by me, but it couldn't get anywhere. That is a direct result of noise, and blatant interference. Several times Delta discussions were closed out of process just as it seemed we were hitting a point where we could compromise, or come to some kind of conclusion. The last time Masem and I had started a productive conversation about it, I had to leave or it was late or something, and when I returned I found the discussion had been inappropriately closed. It was later restored, but you know what kind of damage that does to a discussion. Beyond those issues there are those who cannot separate Delta from NFCC and any attempts to deal with him are dealt with as though they were an attack on NFCC. The threshold for "consensus" is so high, that even a few of those users can cause just about any proposal to fail. If it's labelled a "major change" some people will insist on an 80% majority, which means even if 10 people show up to oppose, you need a dogpile of 40 or more users supporting it to get it to pass. That's just not possible in a Delta discussion except in a few rare circumstances.--Crossmr (talk) 08:14, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New IP for Comet Egypt

Hey, my new ip is 204.112.104.30 could you please block it to avoid editing temptations? thanks. 204.112.104.30 (talk) 21:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks for the notice! I left your IP talk page open for you but I can take that away too if necessary. Note to onlookers: this is a pre-arranged agreement between CE and myself. Franamax (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Warning regarding your use of user talk pages

Thread moved from my Talk page. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 09:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Cuddlyable3, here we are again. I noticed an edit of yours that caused me concern a few days ago and just saw another one, so here I am with a further warning. In the first instance, you followed up a question posted by Jayron32 to your own talk page with this edit (currently at this location), wherein you follow your habit of moving any and all threads which discuss your own behaviour onto the talk page of the originator. As has been explained to you at length, this is fine provided that you are making a substantive response to the originating editor. In this instance, your reply was "No comment", which is not substantive in any way. Proper use of talk pages and proper methods of refactoring discussion were explained to you at length, by myself and several others - check your talk page history around the time of your most recent (or 2nd-last) block.

Now I see you posting to the same editor talk page here, in a manner which seems in no way aimed to resolve a dispute relating to the actual body of free-as-possible, neutral-as-possible, and complete-as-possible work we are all here to create. It looks much more to me like an interpersonal dispute, and it looks like the same thing I warned you about 10 months ago or so, creating a hostile environment for specific other editors. You are projecting your own personal crusade about using apostrophes correctly (which I do agree is a laudable goal) and creating a narrative of your own victimisation as the "honest messenger". Multiple individual editors, and the overwhelming consensus at WT:RD (and WP:ANI once I seem to recall) have been telling you to drop that particular stick. You need to rethink your approach on this issue, as I don't find it productive and am willing to enact a block if it continues.

No comment. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 09:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This was just brought to my attentions...

Hi, it's been awhile. I just want to thank you for removing the trash from my talk page. I didn't notice it since it was posted at the same time as something else so it was easy to miss. An editor emailed me about this which is how I learned that you stepped in to remove the post. I hope you blocked the account though it was probably a throw away account so that would probably not matter. Thanks for deleting that garbage. I hope all is well with you, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ehh, you sleep, we patrol - just part of the standard service plan. :) I didn't actually block that account as it made no further edis, aame old game. My outlook is that whoever they are, if that's the way want to waste their life, that's the choice they make. My choice is to spend as close to zero seconds as possible of my own life dealing with it, so I just did the revert.

I do judge that edit as well within my mandate to enact a rev-deletion though, so perhaps you could outline your preference in those cases. I generally don't revdel on regular (long-term, active, non-admin) e4ditor talk pages when they're not able to see the deleted content themselves, I suppose that's a perverse form of respect that you should be able to read all the garbage that comes your way. And that whole calling up another page to make the deletion, smacks of effort, which yeah, for one of the parties why should I ever bother?

However, if your preference is to not see such material at all, even in your TP history, I would be happy to vanish it away on first sight. It would remain in admin-only space (I've yet to see truly oversightable posts aimed at you) but where you wouldn't be able to read it. Either way is easy, so just say. And I'll go back nd block that account too if you want - it will take a whole 30 seconds extra, puff-puff, :) Franamax (talk) 05:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking for my input about this, but don't waste anymore of your time than is needed. The idiot that puts stuff like that on here is a waste and I don't want anyone to waste anything on them that is not needed. I saw what was written and it's pure trashy, but nothing associated with me, just the editor who put it there. So no, you don't need to do anything else with that. If something is put on my page and I think it should be revdel I'll let you know, how's that? If it's outting or something against policy than of course do it, but other than that lets just laugh at the juvenile not having anything better to do. I wish I knew who it was though. I think I might have been wrong before thinking it was this other person, not sure, but, maybe, but... Anyways, thanks for asking and for taking care of this for me. --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Complaint

Please, notify user Curb Chain and Good Ol’factory to hault harassing my main "keep" vote on the Category: Categories for deletion site on the Category:Dangerous Professions page. I have warned them and they have kept the argument in contact, I propose to let is cease.--Corusant (talk) 03:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it doesn't look like they need any warnings. Wikipedia works by open (and calm) discussion, they just happen to disagree with you, which does happen here. They're outlining reasons based on policy, not pursuing you as a person. It's too bad that the work you've done looks like it will be undone soon, but consensus seems to be against you there. Remember that you don't have to keep posting there if you don't want to, but you can't really insist on having the last word in any discussion. I know it's annoying to lose your hard work, but that's the way it goes sometimes here. :) Franamax (talk) 05:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me, but I wasn't trying to vote twice, however I did delete my relative's vote, thank you :)--Corusant (talk) 20:13, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been pluggin' away...

After 3 years, 7 months, and 5 days... I feel I can give something to others who might come aboard as confused as was I. WP:Schmidt's Primer (shortcut WP:MQSP) Whatcha think before I go live? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Already been looking it over for a few days. ;) I'm impressed and I think it will be a valuable addition. Some quibbles with tense, "it is hoped" vs. "we hope" - or maybe it's "voice", passive vs. active? Maybe a bit more up-front about reading the heck out of article and user talk pages to learn what's going on, asking others for help (incl. mentoring/coaching, assuming that program is still active) and copying the "guts" - like the structure of an infobox or cite template. I see you cover using cites farther down, have to recheck if you're pointing to any gadgets/tools for building those, I think that's a large barrier for newbies (as it was for you for a little while :). Copyrights / ownership - while we don't WP:OWN articles, we most certainly do own and hold copyright in our own creative contributions here, we grant them under a permissive license which demands attribution - probably best not to get into those details! And have you ever looked at WHelp:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual? I always thought that was a great resource. I'll look more in the next few days - or wait 'til it goes to project space and change it to whatever I want it to say. ;) ;) It's very good work, comgratulations. Franamax (talk) 08:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Inre WP::OWN... needed to stress that whatever anyone contributes can and will be edited (sometimes mercilessly) by others. Inre cites: I present it both ways. In remembering my own early days, and as you know, I was doing it long-hand before learning the widget for doing it more easily. So I thought to offer same to newbs: lern long hand and then beer undestand shothand. Let them understand the rules of the road and why they exist before feeling comfortable behind the wheel. Help: Wikipedia: The Missing Manual added to the additional reading section. Appreciate your keen eyes. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 18:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As you may have figured by the redlinks above, WP:PRIMER has gone live. Discussion on its talk page led to the creation of WP:NAU as well. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:35, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

Hello, Franamax! I just wanted to let you know that this turned out to be not a test edit (though there's certainly no way you could have known that and were AGFing). His next edit, where he calls the user a "Nazi scumbag disabled persecutioner" in his trademark shorthand, along with the geolocation of Taipei, Taiwan, show it to be a sock of Sven70 (talk · contribs), and I tagged it as a confirmed one. I don't think a block is needed since he's only made two edits and is being watched. Cheers :> Doc talk 21:11, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my mistake there. The UT edit was the first one I saw on my watchlist and I took it as random text. Checked the preceding one and it was random(-ish) too, checked for more contribs for an hour, then let it go. I always try to rv an IP's first edit or two as a "test", in keeping with my philosophy that everyone on Earth gets at least one check to see if Wikipedia really is the enyclopedia that anyone can edit and half will try something silly - so only another 3 billion more tests and the vandalism will stop. ;) If I'd seen that embedded message though, I would have blocked right away. Thanks for the note, definitely one for my patrolling checklist. Regards! Franamax (talk) 23:22, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You made no mistake at all. I'm just familiar with Sven, and saw his edit to BBug's talkpage and then went backwards; and then wanted to inform you of whom exactly you encountered. Sven's one of the more memorable trolls I've encountered here, and his random claims of accusing WP of "abusing" the disabled and AN/I being a "snakepit" out of nowhere are just disruptive. Hope all is well with you! Cheers... Doc talk 23:35, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The lynching continues...

Since you've already posted, I'd like to hear your opinion on WP:ANI#Proposed_ban_of_User:Buffs_from_User_talk:Hammersoft. It is my less than humble opinion that people are very much on the WP:IDONTLIKEIT bandwagon, but nothing in policy backs up any reason for a block. Just because you don't like it (for whatever reason), doesn't mean it can't be done. Buffs (talk) 17:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a violation?

Please check out the opening paragraph on user Calton's talk page. It reads thus

It's clean-up duty, mopping up after the dishonest, incompetent, and fanatical. Can't imagine why you'd have a problem with that. The above obviously includes the various trolls, spammers, quacks, greedheads, and crackpots -- and their enablers -- who hang out at ED and WR. I also seem to have attracted the unwanted attention of a crackpot spamming "psychologist", an indefinitely banned (for good reason) spammer, and an indefinitely banned anger-management poster child socking from the Czech Republic (and his reincarnated sock). If you're one of the those various trolls, spammers, quacks, greedheads, crackpots, and/or their enablers, welcome! Now get lost. Calton

I find it in very poor taste and against Wikipedias rule on civility. 186.2.136.202 (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything that needs acting on, it's an expression of frustration by a dedicated editor. It doesn't name anyone specifically and it's on their user page (as opposed to their talk page), so people aren't forced to read it. My own approach to the sorts of people referenced is generally just ignore them, I figure if I'm putting something on my user page about it, then they've won. But everyone's different and we give people a lot of leeway in managing their user pages. Franamax (talk) 18:57, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MESSAGE

Hello, it's me Sean. On other talk pages, why can't I post questions about movies? I posted questions on Wikipedia Entertainment Reference Desk website page, but nobody responded to my questions about the movie called Frequency. On your user talk page, can I ask you questions about the movie called Frequency?(Sean Archer123 (talk) 21:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

No you can't post questions about movies on my talk page. User talk pages are meant to be used to improve the encyclopedia, not to get answers to trivia questions. If your questions at the RefDesk don't get answered, that means that no-one is interested in answering the question - so stop asking, or find another site on the internet which will answer you. There are hundreds of fan forums out there where these questions get discussed. Wikipedia is not one of those sites. Keep your questions on the Reference Desk and if they don't get answered, that's just the way it is. Franamax (talk) 21:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

EMAIL

My email address is <redacted> Is it okay for me to ask you for your email address? If you give me your email address, then is it okay for me to send my questions to your email address?(Sean Archer123 (talk) 06:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

No it is not OK for you to email me with that sort of question. Seriously, you should find another website where your type of question is welcomed. I'm here to help improve this encyclopedia, as almost everyone else here is too. Keep your questions on the RefDesks.Franamax (talk) 06:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MESSAGE

I want to ask you questions about a movie. Since you're not answering my questions, then I feel that it's impolite. Since you're not answering my questions about a movie, don't you feel that it's impolite? Why can't you give me your email address? Why can't I send questions about a movie to your email address? The movie's not inappropriate. My questions aren't inappropriate. I'm not threatening you.(Sean Archer123 (talk) 07:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)).[reply]