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What is New Age? Definition of New Age / definitions © Tudor Georgescu 2002, unless quotations are used:

New Age: the ensemble of thelemic doctrines; Religion: the ensemble of thelesmic doctrines.

Thelema: behaving anarchically; expressed by Aleister Crowley in The Book of the Law as "Do what you wilt is the whole law."; Thelesma: aware choice; expressed by Hermes Trismegistus in The Emerald Tablet as discrimination.

The message of New Age: "You don't think. You're an animal. That's good. Enjoy!"; The message of religion: "You don't think. You're an animal. That's evil. Wake up!".

Apparently in the other category: Anthroposophy, Grail's Movement, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism.

Thelema is always the thelesma of another entity. This is proven by the New Age stance of renunciation to thinking, in search of a so-called peace of soul. Since good entities are not imposive, it follows that thelema is always evil. It is the displacement of personal will through the suggestions of another will. Its purpose is the entitive annihilation, and its consequences are anarchy and anomy.

The thelemic increment is the tiny and apparently innocent quantity of added thelema. On a longer period, the general decay becomes evident.

(Above thelesma means enabling personality and thelema means taking over a personality by giving it a twisted idea that it is able to do everything, with no consequences whatsoever).

Hello Tudor Georgescu, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you realize that by submiting your writing here, you are releasing it under the GNU Free Documentation License, which allows copying, redistribution and modification of your work by anyone. See Wikipedia:Copyrights for more details. -- Stephen Gilbert 15:03 Dec 23, 2002 (UTC)

I quote from reiser4-for-2.6.19.patch by Laurent Riffard: tgeorgescu

"Further licensing options are available for commercial and/or other interests directly from Hans Reiser: reiser@namesys.com. If you interpret the GPL as not allowing those additional licensing options, you read it wrongly, and Richard Stallman agrees with me, when carefully read you can see that those restrictions on additional terms do not apply to the owner of the copyright, and my interpretation of this shall govern for this license." tgeorgescu

I quote from http://www.benedict.com/Info/Law/What.aspx : tgeorgescu

"Copyright protects expression. The Copyright Act of 1976 states that the items of expression can include literary, dramatic, and musical works; pantomimes and choreography; pictorial, graphic and sculptural works; audio-visual works; sound recordings; and architectural works. An original expression is eligible for copyright protection as soon as it is fixed in a tangible form." tgeorgescu

"Consequently, almost any original expression that is fixed in a tangible form is protected as soon as it is expressed. For example, a graphic created in Photoshop is protected as soon as the file is saved to disk. This Web page was protected as soon as I stopped typing and saved the .html file." tgeorgescu

On GFDL, I quote http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.txt : tgeorgescu

"The purpose of this License is to make a manual, textbook, or other functional and useful document "free" in the sense of freedom: to assure everyone the effective freedom to copy and redistribute it, with or without modifying it, either commercially or noncommercially. Secondarily, this License preserves for the author and publisher a way to get credit for their work, while not being considered responsible for modifications made by others." tgeorgescu

So, if somebody modifies my work so that violence is being suggested, I am not responsible for that. But, I maintain the authorship of the text I wrote, even if it is freely available for everybody to read and comment it. Naturally, I don't charge money for reading it. tgeorgescu

Btw, I don't mind that people copy and/or re-write what I write. According to my guru, one writes something down precisely because he/she wants everybody else to do whatever they please with his/her written words. E.g., the Bible has been mocked in innumerable ways, the same can be said of Shakespeare or Plato. The noble words of Socrates were raw matter for Aristofanes' scorn. And for Nietzsche's contempt. So, by writing something down, one consents that this is a pearl (if indeed a pearl) offered to the swines. So, it is understandable that esoteric groups are fond of secrecy, because they do not want their pearls to go to the swines. tgeorgescu

Could you

please move your addition to the Aleister Crowley talk page to the bottom. I can see what you wrote in the diff, but can't actually find it on the talk page. Normally, new responses on the talk page should be added at the bottom, not to some old section nobody is paying attention to anymore. IPSOS (talk) 01:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry. I will do it. Tgeorgescu 07:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Original research/vandalism to Rudolf Steiner page

Wikipedia guidelines exclude original research in articles, ~~especially when it appears to be vandalism as in this recent edit to the Rudolf Steiner page~~. Hgilbert 15:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I understand it is wrong to insert my own viewpoints in Wikipedia. However, it remains a fact that Rudolf Steiner was an egoist. He never disputed this fact, on the contrary, he wrote very favorable reviews of egoist authors (as Max Stirner and Friederich Nietzsche) and he praised egoism on many occasions. He was also a supporter of amoralism, perhaps this counts as original research, but this amoralism is totally Rudolf Steiner's, it is not a label applied to him from outside. Tgeorgescu 16:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, it is not demonstrated that I was writing that in bad faith, so perhaps it cannot count as vandalism. Tgeorgescu 16:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is not vandalism if it was not done with the intention of disrupting the article, and I understand now you acted out of good will. I have struck out the suggestion that this might be so.

There are two issues here: one, the rules of Wikipedia; two, the ideas of Steiner.

Wikipedia does have clear guidelines about an editor not putting in his/her own formulations, even if based upon a carefully built case and backed up with evidence; instead, we as editors should report on the conclusions drawn by authorities in the field. It's well worth reading the guidelines as to where the line is to be drawn between reporting on conclusions and drawing one's own. In particular, in the Steiner and related articles, arbitrators of an earlier dispute set down the guideline that Steiner's works should not be drawn upon in controversial areas; rather, independent authorities should be cited. This is because it is easy to come to opposing interpretations of the same passages, or find passages that seem to support even diametrically opposed conclusions about his ideas.
In English, Steiner's position would be more commonly called ethical individualism than egoism, especially as he, as you point out, frequently pointed out the limitations on the ego and the importance of community (see his fundamental social law, for example). Hgilbert 00:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, only peer-reviewed, print-published, non-polemical sources should be used; see Verifiability standards to clarify this (and for exceptions). Hgilbert 00:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Galtier/masonry

Can you quote a bit from Galtier's statement about the difference between Theosophy and Anthroposophy centering around their attitude toward the 18th degree of masonry? This is so far from both groups' history of the split that I wonder where he came up with this. hgilbert (talk) 01:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would say this is interpolation. Galtier speaks about the Masonic-spiritualist convent of 1888, which discussed the problem of mono- vs. pluri-religious character of the Rosicrucian degree. Both Theosophy and Antroposophy think of themselves as being Rosicrucian movements. Theosophy is clearly presenting a mixture of religions, especially Eastern religions. The Anthroposophers split from the Theosophic Society, and the difference between their doctrines seems to be that Anthroposophers use Christian esoteric terms instead of Eastern religious concepts, and refer mainly to Christian esoteric themes and organizations, and to Christian chivalry orders. So, we may consider Theosophy as the outer expression of the pluri-religious Rosicrucian degree, while Anthroposophy is the outer expression of the mono-religious Rosicrucian degree. 09:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Talkback

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Lists of diploma mills

Hello. Thank you for your work to improve the articles on diploma mills. However, I removed the "lists of U.S. diploma mills" that you added. These "lists of diploma mills" are not not necessarily lists of diploma mills -- you will notice that they do not use the word "diploma mill" to describe the listed institutions. Few entries on these lists have been legally demonstrated to be diploma mills. Rather, these are institutions known to lack either or both legal credentials and accreditation necessary to conduct higher education or issue degrees. Labeling schools as "diploma mills" without proof could be considered libel, so it must be avoided. Also, please note that some of these lists are already appropriately provided in the "External links" sections of Diploma mills in the United States and Diploma mill (an "External links" section is the appropriate place for links like these, according to WP:External links) and Wikipedia has an extensive (but incomplete) list of unaccredited institutions of higher education at List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning. Thank you again for your contributions to these articles. --Orlady (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of La Haye Global University for Journalism and Media

Please do not make statements attacking people or groups of people. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you.

As I have argued below, this warning does not apply to me. In all I wrote about Romanian and Dutch universities I have presented verifiable information based upon reliable sources. If this information is unpleasant to some, this is because the very facts (reality) is unpleasant to them. I did not vent my own value judgments thereupon, but I have followed the truth and provided reliable sources for verifying this truth. I was merely stating the facts. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Crusio (talk) 10:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Crusio, I have never attacked Muslims, Arabs or such university, I have only stated the obvious, namely that this university is not recognized by the Dutch state (and therefore the degrees which it grants to people are worthless, which I think I did not write in the article, but I only state it here), because of lacking accreditation by the Dutch-Flemish Accreditation Organization (NVAO) and because it is not recognized by the Dutch Department of Education, Culture and Science. This is true and verifiable information and I have provided sources for checking this information. By the way, the university was considered lacking significance and therefore its Wikipedia page has been deleted by moderators. I thought that since the Via Vinci University has an Wikipedia page, all other non-recognized universities from the Netherlands should receive their own Wikipedia pages. I was sincere and honest in what I wrote and I cannot change the lack of accreditation of this university, even if I wished it. I had an obligation of rendering the facts about that, I was not venting my own value judgments upon this university. Education Secretary Marja van Bijsterveldt was displeased that such organizations are free to use the name "University" and she pressed for changing the laws in order to protect the use of the names "Universiteit" and "Hogeschool". This is also verifiable information, I have provided a source for it on the Via Vinci University article. You see that I have nothing to appologize for. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Diploma mill

I think you over did it on the sources in the Romanian section. Three is probably enough. Alatari (talk) 07:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hard claims need hard evidence. That's why too much sources is better than too few sources. Besides on the discussion page I was told that not everybody can read Romanian, therefore I offered sources in English, French and German. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Biased Editing

First, let me correct you...The Intercultural Open University Foundation is not my foundation. I am just one of many editors who worked on the article. It was a very difficult article to place on Wikipedia and without some very good editors at Wikipedia the article would of been deleted. You are the first person to come along and add a whole category to the article. All of us were aware of the 2007 Skeptic magazine article and the issue of the Dutch Ministry approval for our foundation when we first worked on the article. Since we do not have a curriculum and only offer a graduate mentoring program we have never considered asking for Dutch Ministry approval. Presently we are content with our foundation programs being registered in the Netherlands and the United States. I have done some editing of your postings without removing any references to make the article read in a fair and balanced manner (neutral). I am sure you will agree that this is fair not only to the reader of the article but also to be fair and neutral to the foundation. The 2008 article from the Dutch newspaper and the need for the religious references I found difficult to understand? Why the need for this linked reference to Jesus? Obviously on our website we have no faculty member with this name and in quoting the article you used International Open University that I corrected. Our faculty are highly credentialed doctorate holders from major European and USA universities, and do not hold P.O.Box degrees. Have you looked at our website? I consider most of your editing very biased and lacking the netural theme that Wikipedia supports.Stretch call (talk) 01:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that I don't have something against the IOU. It is just that I have found some sources about it and added them to the Wikipedia article, because Wikipedia is about rendering facts stated by reliable sources. Such sources do not speak highly of the IOU, but that's not my fault. Accreditation is relevant for universities, e.g. one cannot apostille or legalize a diploma for using it in a foreign country in lack of accreditation/recognition. Therefore, such diploma cannot be recognized in that specific country. You say that this does not applies to foundations, but then why grant academic degrees? Tgeorgescu (talk) 09:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation degrees

Thank you for your reassurance that you are not acting in a bias manner. As to foundation degrees it is my thinking and understanding that a graduate degree is as valid as the research that it represents. As you have looked at IOU Foundation negative press I have found degreed individuals working at the Hague, the UN, universities in the USA, i.e. University of Vermont, UK universities, Asian universities, and numerous social activist programs including work with the Dalits in India and substainability projects, licensed therapist in the USA, Europe, and Asia. There is plenty of "good press" about IOU on the web. There is memberships and workshop presentations by faculty at the leading European E-Learning Organizations. I easily found one by Dr. Hurlong, the President, and notable scholar Dr. Yoshikawa as they presented and lead a European Union Conference in Finland at a recent European Foundation for Quality in E-Learning (EFQUEL). There is also some excellent press on adult learning sites, ning articles, Hextlearn ( part of European Distance Learning Assoication EDEN) has activity and involvement from IOU Foundation people. Also I noticed on the IOU Foundation website that they have a disclaimer section that lists affiliations that they are not associated with and I think some of the negative postings that you are finding and focusing on belong in a period when the foundation was active in India before the government stopped outside educational institutions from offering programs in that country. I have asked a Wikipedia adminstrator to help with the article and I think now it is best that we use the IOU Foundation talk page and work on the neturality of this article.Stretch call (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all that press is nice, but it is used to hide the fact that the degrees granted by the IOU are recognized nowhere in the world. In some countries, it is legal to bear any title one wishes (recognized or not), but in other countries one may only use recognized titles. This is the case of the Netherlands, while in Texas, Oregon and Switzerland one may not use unrecognized degrees to compete for clients or for a job. So, all that good press is nothing in respect to being accredited by NVAO or by other nationally recognized accrediting agency from a foreign country. As said above, if one cannot apostille or legalize a diploma, it is worthless in another country. And the only way to legalize/apostille Dutch diplomas is by having them stamped by DUO (IB Groep). So, a diploma granted in the Netherlands is a worthless piece of paper if granted by a curriculum which is not recognized by the Dutch Department of Education, Culture and Science. The same applies for an US diploma granted by an organization which is not listed upon http://www.chea.org/search/search.asp So granting academic degrees without desiring accreditation is like becoming a MD without ever practicing medicine. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-traditional E-Learning Institutions

You appear to take a very stringent interpertation of traditional education, and in the process you make some assumptions that would leave out many non-traditional institutions such as the Intercultural Open University Foundation. Just because the foundation does not have the Dutch Ministry approval or an approval of a regional accreditation in the USA does not make these degrees worthless. If this is the case this would make the work of many dedicated educators working in distance and non-traditonal educational institutions appear to have no value whatsoever. I know that many virtual and E-Learning institutes have considerable difficulties with traditional accreditation and in many cases could not even apply for consideration. My recommendation to you is for you to look at the many small foundations and non-traditional institutions who offer graduate degrees and the impact and role that they play in E-Learning. A great source is EDEN, OBHE in the UK, EFQUEL in Belguim, and Hextlearn that is a part of EDEN. The IOU Foundation is a member in full of all these organizations. Personally I have been involved with the "University without Walls" that started in the 70's with Antioch College in the USA for over fourty years. I believe very strongly in the value and need of institutions such as the Intercultural Open University Foundation. It is my belief that the IOU Foundation that is registered in the Netherlands and in the USA as a charitable educational foundation has the legal right to offer graduate degree outside the control of any accrediting organization. I think it is also important to remember that the IOU Foundation is a non-traditional E-Learning Foundation that offere a mentoring program to its learners. There is an interesting piece of talk on the Intercultural Open University talk page that you might be interested in reading. All the editors of this article believe that this foundation needs to be evaluated in its own category of non-traditional adult based charitable distance education. My best Stretch call (talk) 03:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Spiru Haret work.

Just a thanks for staying on top of it. --142.232.47.19 (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 2011

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to GreenPark Christian Academy. Thank you. ukexpat (talk) 20:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, in the future I will be more careful about that. Not that I would have added it to the article, I have merely restored what it seemed to me a deletion without proper reason. In fact, I'm not even the first to restore such deletions inside that article. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Many thanks for your tireless efforts in keeping articles clear of spam and other nonsense. Wikipedia is a better quality project because of hardworking and conscientious editors like you!--Hu12 (talk) 14:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'm flattered. Tgeorgescu (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Buddhism and Gnosticism

Hi, I just restored your Bart Ehrmann ref/edit.

17:05, 8 September 2011 In ictu oculi (talk | contribs) (13,236 bytes) (Undid revision 449148589 by SudoGhost - well anyone who doesn't isn't a scholar and it's sourced.) (undo)

(cur | prev) 15:12, 8 September 2011 SudoGhost (talk | contribs) (12,633 bytes) (Undid revision 449148073 by Tgeorgescu (talk) Unanimously? You were able to find a source for every scholar alive? Amazing! But dubious. Please discuss on talk page first.) (undo)

(cur | prev) 15:08, 8 September 2011 Tgeorgescu (talk | contribs) (13,236 bytes) (→The "lost years" of Jesus & New Age theories: scholars consider it a hoax) (undo)

What that article really needs however is an AfD. Entirely WP:fringe and WP:OR. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I restored again. If I propose AfD will you second? Or do we keep monitoring this nonsense? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I find the deletion of the article a too radical measure. I think merging it as proposed would be a better solution. E.g. Elaine Pagels is a reputed scholar and if she says there is a link between Buddhism and Gnosticism, that would make the thesis notable enough for being included into Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, let's go with the original proposal to merge. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ted Bundy

Hello, Tgeorgescu! I'm not sure what your recent edit was supposed to add to this article, so I removed it.[1] I hope you're not angry about that, but the link is dead and the wording of the quote just really doesn't warrant inclusion here. Please bring it up on the talk page if you disagree - and thanks! Doc talk 06:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zoosexuality

What about this as a sexual orientation? You want to support its inclusion at the Sexual orientation article? Homosexuals and zoosexuals, in the same boat. You can come in and comment on the talk page. 120.203.215.11 (talk) 01:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]