User talk:Graemebowd

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Common Blackbird

Hi Graeme. I reverted your changes to Common Blackbird. This is a Featured Article, so all material should be adequately referenced. You removed one existing reference without explanation, and added new material, some of which is certainly challengeable (and has been challenged), such as the claim that that they never sing at night. If you can supply independent verifiable sources for your additions, please add them, otherwise note that original research has no place in a Featured Article.

I'm assuming good faith and I'm prepared to accept that you are not User:217.44.22.64 edit warring from a different account. Please don't just revert again. If you can provide proper academic references for your changes, fine. If you think I am wrong to object to the addition of unsourced material and the removal of references, discuss it with me, or on the project page.

I'd like to resolve this amicably, but if you revert without discussion, I'll ask for an uninvolved admin to take appropriate action Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:08, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well look, why don't we start over. I assume that the lost reference was unintentional. The reuse of nests isn't supported by Clement, that may have been added by another editor — you can see why we are so protective of FAs! I shouldn't have reverted all your edits, I'll go through again and restore what is uncontentious, anything left we can argue about afterwards Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've restored, been through the text and added citation tags where I think the added material needs referencing or removing if it can't be referenced. One of these is the description of the song as beautiful. Although I'd agree, the adjective is pov if it is not supported by a ref to an academic source. Incidentally, be wary of adding "however" unless it's absolutely necessary Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:34, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please add citations when you add new info. I have not spend a greater amount of time searching for citations (the golden rule is that the person who adds the info also provides the citation), but note that both the Clement guide to thrushes and HBW says "up to three broods per years". Not four, as in your text. I have also heard Common Blackbirds singing very early, before sunrise (= night, under most normal definitions), even if is not common. Among others, three recordings from xeno-canto: 4:10 in Falsterbo (Sweden), 2:10 in Uppsala (Sweden) and 4:25 in Vogelbos (Netherlands). If no citations are provided, all unreferenced information is removed eventually by default. Althought this is valid for all articles, it is followed even more strictly in featured articles such as Common Blackbird. Welcome to wiki and I hope you will consider the above. Nice to see someone adding info to the Red-backed Shrike. It was needed. • Rabo³ • 15:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Red-backed Shrike

Thanks for improving this, I've had a quick run through mainly fixing MoS issues such as delinking independent countries and continents, formatting the refs, and other bits and pieces

I saw you referenced one of the shrike facts. That's good, but note that if you were editing a higher quality article, a blog or other self-created source would not be acceptable as an independent reliable source Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]