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Busy July

I've just noticed that there are a huge amount of international athletics tournaments this month which should be documented.

6/10 July 2011 World Youth Championships in Athletics
6/10 July 2011 Asian Athletics Championships
10 July 2011 European Mountain Running Championships
14/17 July 2011 European Athletics U23 Championships
15/17 July 2011 Central American and Caribbean Championships in Athletics
16/24 July Athletics at the 2011 Military World Games
21/24 July 2011 European Athletics Junior Championships
22/24 July 2011 Pan American Junior Athletics Championships

Beyond that, there's even lower level competitions which we could probably cover in some way or another too:

2/3 July 2011 European Cup Combined Events
7/17 July World Masters Stadia Championships
10 July IAU Trail Championships
17 July NACAC Mountain Running Championships
17 July Asian Marathon Championships
23/29 July Athletics at the 2011 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival

Any help doing basic results coverage of these above events would be much appreciated. I'll be following them and hope to add quite a bit myself. SFB 10:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2004 Olympics - Women's 4x400m Relay

As stated in the article (Athletics_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics_–_Women's_4_x_400_metres_relay) "On January 29, 2010, the Associated Press and ESPN.com reported that Crystal Cox admitted to using anabolic steroids from 2001 to 2004. As a result, she will forfeit all of her results from that time period, and has agreed to a four-year suspension. The suspension will last until January 2014. The IOC instigated an inquiry into the doping violation and it was revealed in the IOC newletter dated 31 March 2010, that the USA had been striped of their medals, elevating Russia to Gold, Jamaica to Silver and Great Britain to bronze.[1]"

However, the page does not show this information, and the individual athlete pages have not been updated. The updated result is listed in the IAAF Newsletter at the bottom of page 2, however, as far as I am aware the result was still seeking clarification from the IOC. Should the pages be updated with the information per the IAAF newsletter, or remain as the intial decision.Peterwill 12:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From what we've got in that link, the USA team is disqualified, but the three other nations have not yet been elevated. As far as I'm aware, the IAAF governs the competition itself (via its officials and rules) while the IOC is solely responsible for the re-distribution of medals. Regardless, it is inevitable that the IOC will look to redistribute medals at some point – it depends what we wish to reflect. SFB 19:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add that the actions of the IOC/IAAF in regards to the actual awarding of medals is not predictable. The 2000 Olympics had several disqualifications but the medals did not change in various ways. Men's 4x400 is vacant, Women 100m elevated the Bronze medalist to silver and 4th place to Bronze, but did not award a new gold. And Women's 4x400 USA got to keep their medals even though Marion Jones was Disqualified. There is no consistency to their actions. Trackinfo (talk) 19:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic medal redistribution is a bit of a farce. Among all the vague arguments, I find it hard to digress beyond these three tenets: (1) Elevate competitors when a medalist is disqualified and mint new medals, (2) No new medals given to those with serious doping breaches in their career, (3) A team of three clean people and one cheater is still a cheating team. You would think this would be very easy to state in a rulebook, but sports bodies are frequently useless at dealing with anything that strays beyond the most simplistic. SFB 20:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What to call Spiridon Lebesis

So Greek transliterations are evil...

My first instinct was to go with Spirídon Lebésis, which is what IAAF calls him. However, almost every Wikipedia article for Greeks with that given name is at "Spyridon" (as implied by WP:GREEK). Just to make things a little bit nicer, his surname appears variously as Lebesis, Lebessis, Lembesis, Lempesis and most recently (on the 2011 Military World Games website and various other sites copying from there) Lempessis. (With or without the acute accent.) To top the cake, actual Greeks seem to mostly call him Σπύρος Λεμπέσης, that is, Spyros Lembesis (or Lempesis).

I thought, maybe we should decide once and for all what to call the guy. Sideways713 (talk) 09:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be brought up at Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board? Location (talk) 01:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That noticeboard seems to be inactive. I'll ask WikiProject Greece, though. Sideways713 (talk) 09:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops. Didn't notice that. Anyway, it's all Greek to me. Location (talk) 13:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is kind of my field – His actual full name will likely be "Spyridon" (with a "y" being the direct interpretation of "ύ"), but I would argue "Spyros" as the common name (he's pretty much exclusively referred to in this way in Greek language sources), just as it is Bob Marley (not Robert). The consonant pair of "μπ", while directly "mp" is a rough equivalent to a Latin "b". Thus I would argue that it should be Spyros Lebésis, with redirects for all other readings. SFB 16:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. WP:GREEK says to avoid diacritics in article titles, though. Sideways713 (talk) 17:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Championships has begun!

The 2011 World Championships in Athletics is under way, with Edna Kiplagat taking the first gold medal of the event in the women's marathon. All contributions to the championships topic area are very welcome!

I've primarily been working on athlete biographies and writing the pre-event blurbs for the event articles. The majority of the men's events articles still need creating. Other areas needing attention are the usual results updates: our focus should be updating the medalists on the main championships page, the results on the event articles, and noting medalist performances on their biographies. On biographies, it's probably easier to neglect coverage of qualifying and minor place finishes for the moment – purely on a basis of time effectiveness.

I hope everyone enjoys the week's highlights! SFB 11:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Statistics Handbook

According to this page, the newest statistics handbook (i.e. compilation of world and area records, etc.) can be found in four parts here: http://www.iaaf.org/wch11/index.html. Unfortunately, that link redirects elsewhere and I cannot find the handbook, but I was able to find the first part here. If anyone else can track down parts 2, 3, and 4, please post them! Location (talk) 23:50, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To give them credit, this is a recent publication. Unless the fix was in, it has all the people, who were just elected 2 days ago, in their proper positions. But I just love how they make it so easy to find. Of course we would look for document 06/10/30/61030, that makes so much sense, they wouldn't have to put it on a menu anywhere. Uh, that was sarcasm. Trackinfo (talk) 00:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics Weekly to the rescue! SFB 16:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tracking this down, SFB! In the event that this might be useful to anyone, I've prepared the sourcing syntax for easy copy and paste. I wanted to make sure we have the links in the event AW takes down that webpage. The table of contents is on page 3 of the first part. Location (talk) 03:39, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Part 1 (pages 1 to 185):

Butler, Mark, ed. (2011). 13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011 (pdf). Monaco: IAAF Media & Public Relations Department. pp. 1–185. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |trans_chapter=, |laysummary=, |chapterurl=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help)

<ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Mark |editor1-last=Butler |editor1-link= |others= |title=13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011. |url=http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/10/30/61030_PDF_English.pdf |archiveurl= |archivedate= |format=pdf |accessdate=PLEASE EDIT THIS |type= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2011 |month= |origyear= |publisher=IAAF Media & Public Relations Department |location=Monaco |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages=PLEASE EDIT THIS |at= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>

Part 2 (pages 186 to 368):

Butler, Mark, ed. (2011). 13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011 (pdf). Monaco: IAAF Media & Public Relations Department. pp. 186–368. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |trans_chapter=, |laysummary=, |chapterurl=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help)

<ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Mark |editor1-last=Butler |editor1-link= |others= |title=13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011. |url=http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/10/31/61031_PDF_English.pdf |archiveurl= |archivedate= |format=pdf |accessdate=PLEASE EDIT THIS |type= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2011 |month= |origyear= |publisher=IAAF Media & Public Relations Department |location=Monaco |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages=PLEASE EDIT THIS |at= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>

Part 3 (pages 369 to 554):

Butler, Mark, ed. (2011). 13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011 (pdf). Monaco: IAAF Media & Public Relations Department. pp. 369–554. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |trans_chapter=, |laysummary=, |chapterurl=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help)

<ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Mark |editor1-last=Butler |editor1-link= |others= |title=13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011. |url=http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/10/32/61032_PDF_English.pdf |archiveurl= |archivedate= |format=pdf |accessdate=PLEASE EDIT THIS |type= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2011 |month= |origyear= |publisher=IAAF Media & Public Relations Department |location=Monaco |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages=PLEASE EDIT THIS |at= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>

Part 4 (pages 555 to 740):

Butler, Mark, ed. (2011). 13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011 (pdf). Monaco: IAAF Media & Public Relations Department. pp. 555–740. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |trans_chapter=, |laysummary=, |chapterurl=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help)

<ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Mark |editor1-last=Butler |editor1-link= |others= |title=13th IAAF World Championships In Athletics: IAAF Statistics Handbook. Daegu 2011. |url=http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/10/33/61033_PDF_English.pdf |archiveurl= |archivedate= |format=pdf |accessdate=PLEASE EDIT THIS |type= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2011 |month= |origyear= |publisher=IAAF Media & Public Relations Department |location=Monaco |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages=PLEASE EDIT THIS |at= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>

Developing event pages

Since the World Championships is finished, I think now is a good time to discuss the event/results-style pages. I think the batch of event pages produced for this year's competition have been some of the best yet. I really admire the efforts of WildCherry06, Wurstwicht, Pietaster and Aleksanderpc (for listing results), CroesJ (nation pages), Trackinfo (reports) and everyone else.

What are people's opinions on what these pages should contain? I've tried to develop 2011 World Championships in Athletics – Men's 100 metres to what I would describe as a good basic standard. Note that I've also created Template:Infobox athletics event – I'd like to hear what people think about it before rolling it out further. I've noticed that Trackinfo has found and added links to the official IAAF footage and I am going to add a section into the infobox where we can link to that. Is there any basic information still missing from these articles? Are there any more sections people would like to add in the event infobox? SFB 17:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

US High School records

The National High School track and field records page is incorrect on the record for the 440 yard dash. Ronald Ray did not set the record for Newport News High School; he was running for Ferguson High School in 1973 when he ran 45.8 to set this record at the VA State Championship Meet.

Newport News High did not even exist in 1973 as it had been converted into an intermediate school in 1971. Ray had run for Huntington High previously; with intergration, he was transferred to to Ferguson High. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.3.76.92 (talk) 01:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That was my edit. I tried to chase the lineage of that. What I posted is what my sources said but It was poorly documented. Please help me fine a proper source to attribute all this to, I'll be glad to make the fix. Trackinfo (talk) 01:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 European team championships Super League

Hidden away in the latest IAAF newsletter http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/27/66/62766_PDF_English.pdf is the news that Dmytro Kosynskyy, who won the javelin, had a positive dope test at the meeting and is banned for two years. The official results at http://www.european-athletics.org/results-european-athletics-events-2011.html don't indicate a disqualification (which seems odd). Is it safe to change the results and assume he will be DQed? Topcardi (talk) 23:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As the positive test was delivered at that meeting, then it is safe to mark him as disqualified – a requirement within the competition's own rules, as well as international ones. SFB 20:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. The expunged mark will also disappear from the yearly rankings and the athlete's IAAF profile, but this happens with a certain delay. Also, IIRC, if there are two or more positive doping test results, all intervening marks are also striked out, even if the athlete passed all tests in that period. GregorB (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IAAF name template update

Please note that Template:IAAF name has been updated. This is the template used to add IAAF profile links to biographies. Since around July, new links stopped working. To get the template to function for new links you must now include the first letter of the athlete's last name. For example:

Correct: {{iaaf name|id=225569|name=Andy González|letter=G}} Andy González at World Athletics

Incorrect: {{iaaf name|id=225569|name=Andy González}} Andy González at World Athletics

Please note that older profile links remain active and this issue only affects new links. SFB 01:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ibero-American Championships

Just a message to anyone who fancies working on the Ibero-American Championships in Athletics. The 2010 Guide from RFEA contains complete results for all competitions since the Ibero-American Games. Very useful indeed! SFB 18:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Half marathon

Minor issue: Can I get a second opinion in Half Marathon as to whether the recently added ELs are appropriate or not? Thanks! Location (talk) 21:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The links there at the moment seem fine. Maybe trim the map one, but there is nothing too problematic with the rest. SFB 11:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(year) in athletics

Hi all. I started working on 1995 in athletics (track and field) with the goal of completing all the redlinks at Template:Years in Athletics, but I wanted to get some guidelines before I went much further. The big question: how many world best performances do we want to list? 2010 in athletics (track and field) only lists the world best, but most of the older years (like 1981 in athletics (track and field)) list top 5 performances in each event. I don't have a preference: as a fan, it's cool to see all five, but for most readers, one is fine (plus, they're all available at the referenced site). So, to standardize, should we go with one, five, or some other number? Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been pushing forward with listing just the best performance of the year. My principle reasons for doing so are to focus on just the most pertinent information and to avoid turning these articles into lengthy statistical lists (as is inevitable with the five per event lists as shown at 1981 in athletics (track and field)). Furthermore, I've never found a resource which complies just the top marks into one table (a method I think is very useful from an encyclopaedic perspective).

I've not yet managed to achieve the article that I think these summaries could be. Other sports seem to have gone for a chronological list (see 2010 in tennis and 2010 in baseball), but I think a year summarised in prose is more appropriate (like a meatier version of 1968 in athletics with a summary of this type of material). Maybe it's just me, but I can't think why anyone would be interested in a chronological list of dates and happenings. Also, I think the 2010 athletics article has the key list sections for an athletics article (events/records/year bests/awards/deaths). SFB 11:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. Thanks a lot. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Project-wide watchlist

Hi all. It has come to my attention that Tim1357 offers a tool which acts as a watchlist for all wikiproject articles. This is very useful and should he with keeping up to date with new content, edits, and help prevent vandalism on athletics articles. Well worth bookmarking. SFB 12:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Athletics will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in track and field and related sports. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AthResult template

I have created Template:AthResult, which is a quick and semi-automatic method of adding results into the "AchievementTable" sections of athlete biographies. If anyone finds themselves doing this type of work regularly then this template may well save you quite a bit of time. It may also be quite useful if editors wish to add a series of results from the same championships onto different athlete articles.

If anyone needs any help using it, or has any errors or questions, then please send me a message on my talk page. Thanks! SFB 01:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've tended not to use the results tables, favoring the medal table for international competition. Stylewise, this form of a table is used much more often for non-US athletes, while the medal table is more common for the americans. Many times I have seen it used, it goes beyond the international competitions you mentioned in the template. For example, most distance runners, particularly marathoners cross over to road racing, cross country and track events. When we are using a results table, we will much more likely drift away to significant results to the athlete, as opposed to necessarily just the international list of events; a significant performance at a particular track meet, a national championship, an appearance at an Olympic trials. In short, (and I know you don't want to take on more work) this is likely to need more meets and major road race competitions to quick wikilink to. And while I'm on the subject of Items I regularly edit, I've never put a table into such an article, but many masters athletes, particularly europeans, have their masters performances displayed in such a table. Masters is not included in the template. Trackinfo (talk) 02:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the template would save much time for things like road races and national events because the information you would put in the template would probably be about the same amount you'd put in if you were doing it manually anyway. The real advantage of the template comes when it automatically generates the event-level article for major championships, or links to the athletics section of a specific games. I will seek to include the masters level events on the template shortly. SFB 21:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking assistance

looking for help with an article on the 2003-2004 Saint Joseph's Mens basketball team, if anyone could help me put an image in the info box or creat another section that would be great. Thanks! 5hane2012 (talk) 22:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)5hane20125hane2012 (talk) 22:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]