Talk:5S (methodology)

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Returned from Kaizen after a comment period. 5S is a frequently searched term, and deserves an article by itself.

Comments from Kaizen talk page

5S is a Philosophy and a way of organizing and managing the workspace. Hiroyuki Hirano wrote an entire book about 5S called 5 Pillars of the Visual Workplace: The Sourcebook for 5S Implementation. While the article in it's current form is a definition it could be expaned upon to a great degree.

5S is customarily implimented in connection with a Kaizen, lean manufacturing, or continuous improvement program. However, 5S can be a stand-alone program and handled completely seperate of a continuous improvement, or kaizen, activity. Similarly, some organizations do not address 5S as part of their kaizen activity. Therefore, since 5S is not immutably linked to kaizen, it should remain as an independent article.

I agree that 5S should be separate. Kaizen and 5S are both processes and philosophies. However, while you can apply kaizen to all 5S, you cannot apply 5S to all kaizen. When I want to read more about 5S, I don't necessarily want to wade through pages of kaizen discussion. Ehusman 21:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

5 or 6 S

"Purists insist that the other concepts be left out to maintain simplicity and because Safety, for example, is a side-benefit to disciplined housekeeping." Of course that makes Simplicity the sixth S. Rich Farmbrough, 10:11 21 November 2006 (GMT).

Why has S2 not been named "streamline"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.167.2.25 (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC) i don't agree with that Kaizen and 5S should go together, in the philosophy of improvement both has the same qualities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikie2002 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous definition

I totally agree with having 5S as an independent article content since the 5S can be a stand-alone approach in Japan. However, as a 5S researcher and a Japanese, I would like editors to consider the definition of 5S as a whole. As Ehusman defined above, "5S is a Philosophy and a way of organizing and managing the workspace" is in line with the common definition written in Japanese 5S books. However, the article begins with "5S is a reference to five Japanese words that describe standardised cleanup". This is not accurately interpreting the entire meaning of 5S. Although the 5S stems from the language of everyday life in Japan, it is much more than "standardised cleanup". Much appreciated when this was more considered as my English level is as good as to be an editor of the article. KayGC 13:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV?

This article currently reads a bit like 5S training materials or an overview of 5S for information prior to implementation in offices. I admit, that has some great value. However, I question whether that conforms to WP:NPOV. It seems to me that we need verifiable information on the approach, its goals, successes and failures, and how it interrelates with other aspects of lean office environments as well as its origins.

What the article seems to be lacking is a perspective I'd hope to see from an encyclopedia; in places the information i suggest above already exists but not in an unbiased form. Some lean initiatives have a tendency to be revered as quasi-religious, and I get that distinct impression when I read this article. Any thoughts? I've gone through the introduction trying to reword things towards more of what I consider the standard WP article.

--ABQCat 06:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no way  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.85.45.98 (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Safety as a 6th option

I elected to change "Sometimes "Safety" as a 6th optional S." to "...Sometimes "Safety" is included as a 6th S." While safety may be a 6th option it would not, in this case, be "optional." DAMurphy 23:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there or should there be, a link or section regarding 5-S Methodology in movies or TV shows? In the movie "Eagle vs. Shark", there was a peg board for hanging tools in Jarrod's bedroom. It had 5-S outlines showing where the tools should hang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.205.130.194 (talk) 12:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did not see the reference to the 6th S, so I added it. It may be argued that it is not part of true "5S" but it does exist and is implemented in many places, so I don't think it should be left out completely. Revise it as you see fit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.72.234.5 (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC) aaa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.64.106 (talk) 07:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1S (methodology)

Is there really any such thing as "1S (methodology)"? See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1S (methodology). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms

This article needs a criticisms section to balance out the completely biased POV it is presenting - it makes 5S look like some magical solution, when it in fact is a system of maximized micromanagement which stifles innovation and creativity. 76.69.112.149 (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, although integrating criticism into the article rather than having it as a stand-alone section would be better. Do you have any reliable sources which criticize the system? Qwyrxian (talk) 21:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

I've seen Seiketsu translated as "Systemize", with Shitsuke translated as "Standardize". It would be nice to have a one word translation anyway! Thoughts? Grj23 (talk) 05:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at it again, the wikipedia article as it currently stands is better. So keep Seiketsu as "Standardise", and make Shitsuke "Systemise". The other thing that was different in the PhD that I'm reading is that they dropped the -ing: So "Sort", "Straighted", "Sweep & clean", etc. Would that be less clumsy and more comprehensible? Grj23 (talk) 05:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another part of the 5th S (Systemise/Sustain) was "Management should walk the shop floor, explain what they want from people, reward those who follow and instruct those who do not". This seems like a tangible example of the 5th S? Grj23 (talk) 05:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]