Talk:Islamic–Jewish relations

Oct 2011 additions

JayJg: Please explain the statement that the following changes were deleted because they are a result of original research: [In the "Muhammad" section, I added specific examples of interactions between Jews and Muhammad, the fast of Yom Kippur, which some say is Ashura, and a modern opinion of Muhammad's prophethood by Rabbi Maller. References are included] None of that was based on orginal research (They were books and articles that can be found in BarnesnNoble). Yahya Emerick? Bukhari? Rabbi Maller? These are non-notables? (Isbani (talk) 04:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC))

The material you added cited various hadith (e.g. "Sahih Bukhari") - these are ancient, primary sources, and we need citations from reliable secondary sources instead. In addition, you cited "Abdul Wahid Hamid, Companions of the Prophet: Volumes 1 & 2 (Muslim Education & Literacy Services UK)". It's unclear what this is, how reliable it is, and what pages you were citing. Third, you cite http://slashnews.co.uk/news/2009/12/04/5953/Mukhayriq-the-best-of-the-Jews , which is also not a reliable source for this subject as far as I can tell, and in any event doesn't comment specifically on Islamic-Jewish relations. Finally, you cite Rabbi Allen S. Maller, who, as far as I can tell, does not meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability, and appears to have a fringe view on this topic. In any event, he is a self-published source, and Wikipedia does not consider those to be reliable. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

neutral point of view

The article is based on hypothetical content by just naming "good faith" assumptions of the relationsship, which is not neutral. The content is in no way comparable with reality, entire cultural differences are missing. The entire Anti-semitism in Islam is ignored. In Islam female genital mutilation and male circumcision as an initial ritual is in existence, in Judaism not. Polygamie, honor killings, arranged marriages, marriages of girls etc. This behaviour is only related to Islam, not to Judaism. Another point is that the history of Judaism and Islam, and due to the age of Judaism, pre-islamic cultures also, is interpretated unlogical, based on an hypothetical euphemism only. The differences of the behaviour i mentioned before was also present in pre-islamic cultures, there is no rational logic and sanity behind the claim that Islam and Judaism share the same values. I strongly ask that the article should be rewritten, cultural differences are missing and a more accurate interpretation of history would be neccessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.1.118.220 (talk) 16:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

It is clear that you impugning no the neutrality of this article, is a direct result of your own personal bias. This article has nothing to do with polygamy(more precisely polygyny), female circumcision, or honor killings. These topics have been addressed in other Wikipedia articles and have no relevance to this page.

More over, many Muslims would argue that most of what you mention are cultural practices not grounded in Islam. There should be not recognition of such a prejudicial, and unqualified complaint.

Yster76 (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Yster76 (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Harrell Rhome's approach to Islamic–Jewish relations

Islam’s Links to Judaism on the The Barnes Review. Perhaps it could be the a great reference for this article. Komitsuki (talk) 09:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Judaism Influence

To say "Islam was strongly influenced by Judaism in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice" does not represent the Islamic view of their own religion. According to Islamic tradition, Prophet Muhammad was illiterate, therefore, he could not have been "influenced" by existing books. Furthermore, Islamic tradition says that both Judaism and Islam are religions of the same God, which explains the similarity between the two religions. Please do not re-add the sentence until you edit it to represent Islamic view as well. Sourced content does not necessarily entail its neutrality. Islam was strongly influenced by Judaism in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice 199.127.252.143 (talk) 18:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC) MJC.

Wikipedia goes by what reliable secondary sources say. Please do not remove sentences supported by reliable secondary sources. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia standards also state that all point of views must be represented. I kindly ask you that you do NOT remove the POV-Check before the dispute has been ended in the talk page. Thank you for your understanding, I have added the Islamic POV and now I think it's neutral, feel free to dispute. 199.127.252.143 (talk) 05:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC) MJC

Wikipedia only states that points of view supported by significant reliable secondary sources should be included. So far you have failed to provide any. Please do not add material that violates WP:V. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Jayjg, are you saying that Qur'an is not a reliable source to learn about Muslims point of view about Judaism :) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJC.2012 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm seeing repetitive attempts to describe Judaism influence on Muhammad as the only believed reason behind similarity between Islam and conceal the Islamic POV in this matter (see history). It's important to be neutral here, Muslims do not believe Muhammad was influenced and they believe he was illiterate, concealing this point of view violates Wikipedia:NPOV. It sates clearly that when disputes happens, all point of views must be represented so long as each POV is clearly attribute to those who subscribe to it. If you have reasons to believe that "Muslims" think Muhammad actually learned Judaism or was influenced by it prior to preaching to Islam, please add to this talk page.

MJC.2012 (talk) 19:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

You have provided no source for your claims other than quoting excerpts from Qur'an.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 19:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Just to make it clear to you, Muslim's book is the Qur'an (I sincerely hope that you already knew that, since you are touching this article). If there is not a book that says Muslim believe that God is one, but nonetheless it's mentioned in the Qur'an, would you then say it's unfair to claim that Muslims believe God is one?