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This text is misleading since the Grand Trunk Corporation was incorporated in 1971 to make GTW profitable and these railroads continue on paper since the 1995 privatization. CN refers to anything with GTW in its annual reports and press releases as the former Grand Trunk Western territory.

The corporate name "Grand Trunk" remains in use by CN to this day. CN operated the GTW as its primary U.S. subsidiary until privatization of CN in 1995. The GTW has been transformed into the modern-day holding company "Grand Trunk Corporation" under which CN has placed the assets of its U.S. railway subsidiaries Grand Trunk Western , Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific , and post-privatization purchases, namely Illinois Central , Wisconsin Central , and Great Lakes Transportation . Until 1995 the former Central Vermont Railway was also a part of the Grand Trunk corporation.

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Just a small note: GTR was originally incorporated as the Grand Trunk Railway Company of Canada and was referred to as the Grand Trunk Railway of Canada for many years.

As for comments below regards Grand Trunk Eastern line Portland to Island Pond. GTE was a semi-official name (equipment was not so lettered) however, it was legally Grand Trunk Railway, not CNR nor GTW. Track into the US from Niagara Falls, Ontario was likewise Grand Trunk Railway, not CNR. Equipment was lettered Grand Trunk. At Sarnia, it was the St.Clair Tunnel Company that went into the US. At Windsor, a ferry service was operated into US. 173.123.200.144 (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

R.L.Kennedy 04:55, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)R.L.Kennedy

OK - I like the "class 1" template that gets added to legitimate Canadian and US class 1 railways/railroads. I notice that the GTW is the only remnant of the GTR that is included as a "former US class 1" - correctly so.

Since the GTR system was merged into CNR in January 1923, and since the GTW *always* operated as a separate entity, the only portion of the actual GTR which operated in US territory was the Portland-Island Pond section of the Portland-Chicago network. GTW ran from the International Boundary at the tunnel at Port Huron, Michigan (actually this was technically operated by a GTR subsidiary, the St. Clair Tunnel Corp - or something like that), so GTR never actually operated in Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois, although the GTW did.

Now unless the GTR was actually classified as a US class 1 based on the Portland-Island Pond section it operated, just as its subsidiary GTW was classified as such for many years while continuing to operate as a CNR/CN subsidiary, (when did the class 1 designation start anyway?) then the GTR should not (IMHO) be included with the class 1 templates, either for Canada or the U.S. Would love to see further discussion on this. Cheers, Plasma east 02:24, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

All good points. I sit corrected. :) One quick item, Category:Defunct railroad companies of the United States is a subcategory of Category:Defunct railroads, so I've removed the parent category in favor of the more specific child category. I've also created Category:Defunct railroad companies of Canada for this and other roads that operated in Canada but are now fallen flags. slambo 02:56, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

GT actually did operate in Michigan; it and the CN leased the Chicago, Detroit and Canada Grand Trunk Junction Railroad (Port Huron-Detroit), Michigan Air Line Railway (Richmond-Jackson), and Cincinnati, Saginaw and Mackinaw Railroad (Durand-Bay City, not connected to the others) until they was merged into the GTW in 1928. It also operated in New York, since it owned the tracks (?) on the Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge. Strangely, the GT reported and the ICC classified the CD&CGT and Atlantic and St. Lawrence Railroad as separate Class I railroads; the latter later became "Canadian National Lines in New England". So GT would have been Class I had the ICC made sense. --NE2 05:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

personally i think the trivia section makes this article look unprofessional. consider moving the trivia about the grand trunk railroad name to the trivia section under the actual grand trunk railroad band.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.226.81 (talk • contribs) 21:46, April 1, 2007

That would be inappropriate as the railway was not a derivative of the band. The band was from Michigan and took their name based on the railroad name. Besides that, the two subjects are completely different topics. 69.129.196.234 10:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC) -- This reply was added by me; my website cookie expired before I saved the comment. Slambo (Speak) 11:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]