User talk:Ottomanist

Clarification needed on Muhammad Ali

Hi, I saw that you added a clarification needed tag to the Muhammad Ali article. What is it about that sentence that you find unclear?--Jahalive (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the website in question seems dubious, like a fan-page for the guru. Ottomanist (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So it's the reference that you are concerned about. A more appropriate tag would be Template:Verify credibility.--Jahalive (talk) 23:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, you're probably right...Ottomanist (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolution

Yes we have different opinion about the arguments you presented when you deleted the map of the territory of Albania in 1431 from the section about Ottoman period in history of Albania. I think that your arguments are not valid and explained why. Instead to follow dispute resolution process you personally attacked me, edit warred violating three revert rule (diff1, diff2 and diff3) and repeated the same arguments without convincing anyone.

Since only two of us participated in the discussion on the talk page about the map of Albania in 1431 I followed the advice of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and asked for the third opinion.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I already asked for an opinion a while ago here. Ottomanist (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you did ask for an opinion and you received one. From administrator Kudpung: Please continue to resolve this issue at [[Talk:Albania]] where it is being discussed. Instead, you continued to revert four other users on this matter.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I think the matter is closer to drawing to a close. - Ottomanist (talk) 22:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Time's up

I'm calling time on the disruption you are causing around here. I have reported you here [1]. Athenean (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re your message; I think the diffs speak for themselves here, and your pointing fingers isn't really helping you. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that I answered all the accusations pertaining to specific pages. Then off course I have to make it known the sorts of users who are trying to tarnish my image. moreover, I already made it clear that I am a returning user after three years of inactivity. just to clear that up, I think you're topic ban suggestion is very, very harsh - Ottomanist (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Look, we don't exactly *need* more acrimony in this topic area, and your work there has been remarkably divisive at times. However, we'll see what other admins have to say; I'm not immune to occasionally getting the wrong impression. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Granted, but you must understand how your comment looks - and how other editors might (naturally) be inclined to accept your default position. It's your call, though a topic ban seems way over the top, especially considering that I have worked *my arse off* to sort out other pages and sections and that the users who have reported me are hardly immune from criticism themselves. - Ottomanist (talk) 01:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I'm persuadable; I've backed down from topic bans before, and I certainly wouldn't close something like this by myself. If you posted the sorts of things you're saying to me at the AE thread, I think you'd have a better chance of convincing other admins of your sincerity. It can't hurt. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I regret that the title of this thread is "Time's up". I actually invite you to change it, since it's your own talk page. Time's never up for someone like you, who challenges the status quo and wants to bring good sources to rewrite bad parts of wikipedia. In general we have plenty of crap in Balkan related articles which talk about the "Turkish yoke", dictated by political needs of the early 20th century when the history of Albanian lands was being written. Unfortunately administrator "Sandstein" banned me long time ago to contribute to WP:AE, unless I was the party to initiate a complaint or defend myself from one, so I cannot help with saying my opinion on Athenean's wikilawyering there. He just wants to live in peace with Wikipedia's history as written in 1950's Greece. Actually that history's time's up, not yours. Bolerodancer (talk) 23:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One piece of advice I want to personally give, since I've been around for a while, and racked up 30k+ edits between my nicks and socks (;-)), so have been a heavy contributor in this site: When one wants to introduce certain things in wikipedia, it's mainly through articles that are brand new, and bring a new perspective. Once those articles are consolidated, then certain parts of the existing articles can be changed. If you want to completely rewrite this article, the best way is to first write on the architectural, cultural, and musical Ottoman presence in Albanian lands. The Ottomans have left dozens of bazaars, clock towers, hamams, mosques, tekkes, and other pieces of culture in each angle of the Albanian cities and villages. Why not start from there? If you are an Albanian, you will know the expression "gur gur behet kalaja". Shendet. Bolerodancer (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]