Talk:Tomorrow series

First line

could we do something about young adult invasion novel?, that sounds like underage erotica to me. 207.161.179.80 (talk) 02:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Import Note

All 'scribblings' on this page have so far not contributed towards the main purpose of the article, being to inform the overall summary of the series. So if you are looking for something note worthy please look elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.48.124 (talk) 09:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Logic?

If the group had a radio that could pick up broadcasts form anywhere in the World, why did they only use it once? Logic anyone?

They did it is mention this fact in start of book two.

If you've actually read the book, you might recall that the kids didn't realise its capability until right before it ran out of batteries. --Scottie theNerd 08:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh thats likely. And why didnt they THROUGHT THE WHOLE BOOK(S) find/get/steal anymore? How can no one understand any language that the ememy solders are speaking? Fiona is speaks like 5 different languages? How do detailed Sex scenes enrich the minds of young readers?

First of all, if Fiona speaks five different languages, what languages would you expect those to be? Oh, the usual of course. She definitely speaks Persian, a little bit of Pashto, she's very familiar with Indonesian, she loves Mandarin, and Thai is the best language in the world to her—yeah right. It was obvious that a European country was not the aggressor in the book, and I doubt any of those languages would be the ones she spoke. Does it not appear more likely she would speak Spanish, French, or Italian? I don't think they offer all those languages out in Australian high schools and she certainly didn't take trips to those countries, learn them for the fun of it, and come back. And I don't remember anything about the sex scene being designed to enrich the minds of young readers. By the time the kid is reading that, it's too late. Stop acting like reading about sex is going to corrupt the kid because it won't. If the kid is reading it, the parents aren't previewing it, and the kid is overly into a scene that wasn't even all that erotic, something is wrong at home. Don't blame the breakdown of the Western family unit on a book for young adults. If it is for a young adult, by age 13 the kid should be mature enough to read about sex without emitting even a single chuckle. If they can't contact their school to learn about their sex education program and stop complaining. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.11.39 (talk)

yes i agree. i am sure they could of got batteries somewhere why didnt they just get them from some house. Unless they didnt want to know why there country had been invaded and what is happening. Who wouldnt want to know. not them!. (i think they were to busy repopulating the australian race if you hear me loud and clear)

It is mention in book one they do get batteries for the radio but reception was not good during the day and the valley itself didn't help. They also state in book two that they do get news from the radio and know of existance of other groups in the area.

I think the book also trys to teach people to hate america and portrays them as fat, evil liars that refuse to help us but in truth i am sure they would as we are one of their closet and most loyal allies in the war against terror.

But if you realise, the book clearly states that it was only the government which refused to do anything, but the citizens were all for helping. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skarlath1393 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

its evil. evil i tells you

F 22 06:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That's wonderful. However, that has nothing to do with the article. If you have nothing relevant to add to the article, then please leave the article and its talk page alone. This is not the place to throw your opinion. --Scottie theNerd 08:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

And how are your comments relevant to this encyclopaedia article?

They did get supplied with radios by the New Zealand SAS. What are you on about? --Scottie theNerd 17:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, the people who are criticizing this series have either; a) haven't grasped the point of this series, or b) have some sort of personal vendetta against John Marsden. The point of these books is to entertain people! they weren't put under the "For people who want a completely realistic guideline of what to do in this situation" section! it was put in the fiction section! who cares why the author didn't explain why they didn't get more batteries for the radios?! did it cross any of your minds that John marsden did explain that soldiers had done a vast extent of looting!? batteries for anything would've been one of the first things for them to have taken! and it was put under young adult in genre so it can be assumed that Death, gore and sex could be involved in this story! what else do you think could replace that? roasting marsh mellows and telling horror stories? i think by the ages of 15-16 that sort of stuff would be a little lame! sex would be one of the first things to throw into a book like thins, if you don't like its (so called) explicit gory details put the book down and find a wimpier book to read, one where instead of sex and killing have; intense bashing and hard core make-out scenes. and to the response of John marsden trying to make America sound evil; ....where did you come from? were you born yesterday? in almost every war America has been in it has been the same! WW1 America didn't join the war till Germany started sinking their supply vessels trying to get to Briton (America was actually considering joining alliances with Germany in the first WW cos a large population of Americas states were German. in the second world war, America refused to go to war until it was directly attacked by Japan, who was allied with Germany and Italy, so it was with Briton they would fight along side with! even with the war on terror they weren't game to do anything until they were attacked again! by (god knows who) with the world trade centers. so don't go on about how John Marsden is trying to make America look evil when what he is doing is stating what they have done in the past! and just for the record, Marsden did state the America was suppling New Zealand with the weapons and planes and boats, so its not like he was being biased or anything. you people really should think about what you are saying before you stupidly say something which you think makes you look like a very deep observer in the subject of this series. and to that other comment saying Fiona speaks 5 different languages! HELLO! there are thousands of different languages out there! she speaks 5, what are the chances she happens to know what they are saying?! marsden states (through his protagonist; Ellie) that this country must've been small cos when it came to Australia they crammed as many people as they could into such a small area, cos thats what they were used to! or it could've been opposite, it might've been a very big country with a very big populace like Russia or china, either way the chances that Fi knew what language the soldiers were speaking is very low! —Preceding unsigned comment added by For gosh sake, its a fiction book. give it a break 59.100.154.219 (talk) 04:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The radio had already run out of batterys before they realised its cappabilitys, and then they had more important things to do then find more batterys. I mean if you were in a war, would you really be that concerned about the radio or would you be concerned about getting out of there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.56.71 (talk) 08:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

critics

It's been a while since I've contributed anything to this article, my last additions being the "tomorrow movies" part and the "chief characters" thing. I want to draft a new section, something like "critical reaction". If anyone knows of any reviews of the series, specifically the first book, could you please post it here?

Here:

Tomorrow When the War Began (1993) By John Marsden is without question the worst piece of fiction I have ever had the unfortunate chance of reading. The storyline is nonsensical and the plot is scripted like an episode of McLeod’s Daughters. The book would be “frighteningly real” as is stated on the front cover, but the problem is, this is Earth. I may yet write to Mr. Marsden asking why he has seen fit to poison a generation of young and impressionable Australians. The events that take place in the novel are impossible for many reasons: How could a "non-specific" country invade Australia in a week? There would need to be a massive supply chain already in place, and an impossibly large number of men and recourses committed to the task. Training schedules would have to be stepped up, vehicles put in for maintenance, and someone would notice the preparation for a full-scale invasion, as things like that never go unnoticed. Secondly, for the "non-specific" country to have aircraft and aerial capabilities they would need to have a Fleet of Aircraft carriers, which are both huge, expensive, and extremely powerful, how could someone not notice something like that moving at a country? Who doesn’t have radar? Not even the Eskimos! Also in the later books, the New Zealand Air force comes to Australians aid. How? Their air force is a man with a rake! They have only Heavy-lift aircraft and small helicopters. How could these launch an offensive strike from hundreds of kilometers away? The most valid piece of evidence against this book is the existence of the ANZUS treaty, which ensures the United States Defense force comes to our aid in the event of an invasion/conflict.

Dfrg.msc 08:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

You sounded like you knew what you were talking about until you got to calling the U.S. Armed Forces the "U.S. Defense Forces". And what sense does it make to put the vehicles in for maintenance for an invasion? They should already be ready to go in the event that the non-specific country was attacked by an aggressor. Everything else made sense though.

Some of that is fairly true, however that fact is that this is a FICTION book, and the author need to be given some lisence. As for what you said about the New Zealand air force being so weak, they did get supplies from the US. --Sauronjim (talk) 13:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how this one can fit it. It's simply a troll review. --Scottie theNerd 08:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

In responce to your thing about how people would have noticed they were planning something, the "non specific" country (which doesn't have to exist because its a fiction book FFS) had already invaded other places, anyway its a god-damn fiction book, go have a cry about how star wars isn't factual or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.233.159 (talk) 07:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

oh yes, your ANZUS treaty argument is very convincing. apart from the fact that it by no means gurantees assistance from the US in the event of our invasion. the US has already exluded new zealand from the treaty because they didnt help them with their war on terror. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.176.118 (talk) 07:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

NZ dropped out of ANZUS becuase the US failed to uphold its end.. NZ refused Russian access to its fishing ports (which they REALLY wanted and were willing to pay for) and then when NZ required US help over the Rainbow warrior bombing the US refused to get involved. Not much of a treaty there really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.57.130 (talk) 20:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

HOW DARE YOU CALL MY MOTHER A TROLL!

Yes those Trolls writimg their reviews. I will have to write to the Board of Fictious and Mythical creatures and aske them to geet their review writing trolls in order.

Owned. With a three? OWN3D!? Dfrg.msc 08:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"The enemy soldiers in the Tomorrow Series is merely a plot device the author uses to explore the relationships and personalities of the characters; they are a blank and unimportant template like the aliens in Independence Day." Someone else said that, I forget who, but it sums it up perfectly. If you're going to quibble over minor details, you obviously missed the point of the books. Battle Ape 17:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

"Someone else said that, I forget who"

might have been richard simpson on his excellent tomorrow page. Flage 07:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

RNZAF

How the HELL could these:

   * Six P-3K Orions are operated in the maritime patrol mission. Five were originally delivered in 1966 as P-3Bs. Another was purchased from the RAAF in 1985, following which all were upgraded to their current standard.
   * Five SH-2G(NZ) Seasprites were purchased in 1997 for operation from the RNZN's new Anzac class frigates. Although these are navy aircraft, they are operated and maintained by the RNZAF.
   * Three Beech Kingair B200 were leased by the RNZAF in 1998, with a further two leased in 2000. These are used in the multi-engined training role.
   * Two Boeing 757-200s are operated in the fast air transport role.
   * Five C-130H Hercules are operated in the air transport role. Three were delivered in 1966, with a further two in 1969.
   * The UH-1H Iroquois is currently the most numerous operational aircraft in the RNZAF inventory, with 14 units in service.
   * 13 Pacific Aerospace CT-4E Airtrainers were leased by the RNZAF in 1998 to serve as the air force's basic flying trainer.
   * Five Bell 47 Sioux are in service as basic helicopter trainers.

Launch an offencive strike on forces on Australias mainland? Tell me How Damit!

Also ,in 2001 the Labour Government, citing a benign security environment, cancelled the purchase of 28 Block 15 F-16 Fighting Falcon fighters, and disbanded the existing A-4 Skyhawk and Aermacchi MB-339 squadrons. One of the units disbanded included the famous No. 75 Squadron, an ex New Zealand squadron unit in the Royal Air Force that transferred to the RNZAF due to that unit's meritorious service during World War II and last flew A-4 Skyhawk fighter bombers. The other disbanded squadrons were No. 2 Squadron flying A-4 Skyhawks and No. 14 Squadron flying Aermacchi MB-339CB aircraft.

HOW!!?

Dfrg.msc 08:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

V/STOL!

 i think it says somewhere in the first few books that the Kiwis are being supplied by the USA

Yes i think they where and also the series was started before NZ cut back its air force. As i remember when they did and it reminded me of the series. Wonx2150 (talk) 07:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

How could we be invaded if we have JORN

The Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) is an over-the-horizon radar network that can monitor air and sea movements across 37,000km2. It has an official range of 3,000 km but depending upon certain atmospheric conditions has a range up to and including the Korean peninsula. It is used in the defence of Australia and can also monitor maritime operations, wave heights and wind directions.

The system allows the Australian Defence Force to observe all air and sea activity north of Australia to distances of 3000km. This encompasses all of Java, Irian Jaya, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, and halfway across the Indian Ocean.

significant use of the JORN is the detection of boats landing on the northern shores of Australia.

How could we be invaded if we have such powerful radars that dectect it coming, such as JORN explain that!

F 22 06:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Too right Mate! Another gaping inconsistency in the plot! Woo hooo! Bing bing bing! Another 10 points!

Fiction or absurdity? It's like mouldy bread to a hungry person. Are you hungry? Dfrg.msc 06:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

JORN.JPGHere's how--Bigkev 10:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha. I lolled.--Nick??? 08:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Go fucking cry it's a fiction book.

• LOL To think that you spent all this time on disproving a certain aspect of a FICTION book. And anyway couldn't they invade from the south? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Htimsleinahtan (talk • contribs) 12:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

copyright infringement

i'm fairly sure the entire plot summaries section is plagiarised from 'the tomorrow series web companion'. i haven't got a link to the site right now, and i won't tag it for copyvio because it's very possible the owner of this information put it up. did whoever put it up have permission. if not can someone obtain it or else rewrite the summaries. i may or may not draft a rewrite of the summaries: otherwise they should be deleted.Flage 07:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I wrote all the plot summaries from my own memory (I may not have been logged in at the time, though; can't remember.) I don't think I used the "web companion", though. In fact I'm not sure I've even heard of it. Battle Ape 12:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Baby, Pram, etc.

Could I suggest to all editors and people commenting on this article to keep in mind that it is fiction and, as such, the author was quite entitled to make their own decisions about what was or was not possible and what the reactions of others may or many not have been. Please be civil to other users but also refrain from posting edits unrelated to improving the article. Thankyou! --AlisonW 16:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

It's called artistic license, people. Get over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.11.39 (talk)

It wasn't so bad before the talk page got vandalised. Flage 08:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Our criticism doesn't matter anyway, as content should only be added if it's notable. No way am I adding to any criticism section that '[User's name] of Wikipedia [link to this talk page] stated that [insert alleged plot hole here] reduced his experience of the book'. By all means, include in the article what the reviewers thought, but realize that this isn't a book club - our opinions matter zilch. --Safe-Keeper 01:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticsm

I havent read any of these books but could you write a criticsm section both literary if there is any. and if there is any weight to the invasion like why they could be invaded I mean really Australia is an island you would find any ships that would be comming months ahead of time and the only logical invasion would be from Indonsia. Jamhaw 20:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)jamhaw

Oh don't join in with the trolling too. Criticisms are based on literary style, not on content unless outrageous. A fictional invasion by a fictional (and unidentified) enemy is hardly grounds for criticism unless you really want to hate the series. It's a plot device, and as far as I'm concerned, it's a very effective plot device in order to emphasise character development. This is a story about individual survival, not global conflict. --Scottie theNerd 22:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Look scottie you have no idea do you. The entire plot is circled around the invasion otherwise it would be 200 pages of hard core sex, orgys and nudity with nothing else. The book is about war not them having some picnic in the bush.

I keep asking you this but you never answer. How could this invasion happen?

PS Why is there a critical reaction part on the page but is is full of nothing but good. Isnt that a bias? I suggest putting in a plot holes section or criticisms part(with WP: NPV).

KRANDOR!? F 22 09:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, stop dragging your displeasure of the story into this Talk page. You've been blocked once before, and it would behove you to drop this issue before the administrators take more decisive action against you. If you have nothing constructive to add to the article itself, keep your opinions to yourself. Just because you can't draw a direct line to current-day politics doesn't mean it's a plothole. As for criticisms, see above: if there's a professional, documented source you have, feel free to cite it. Do not throw in your own opinion. You haven't asked me anything, and I do not intend to play along with your game. Either you edit, or your leave this page alone.

And in case you've forgotten, the Tomorrow series is about survival, not war. --Scottie theNerd 14:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The critical reaction page is "full of nothing but good" because there weren't any reliable sources that could be cited. As you can see, the "critical reaction" section is clearly a work in progress, at the moment, unless someones edited it, there is only a short list of some of the awards. Awards a good because they are a documented source and they allow for a quantative assessment. A critiscism, especially one sourced to a book review on Amazon or a MySpace page, is subjective anyway and unless it's from a professional, it's pretty much original research. Especially if you wrote it. Flage 08:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Why doesn't someone just block this dumbass? Battle Ape 07:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Because the process isn't that simple. Please refer to this page for details and more. --Scottie theNerd 09:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

More spoiler-free material

Any ideas?Flage 03:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It's hard not to include some form of spoiler material once you've read the entire series. It's a good idea but somewhat unrealistic. The books tend to merge together in your mind ~Sushi 10:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

That's true, my class had to read the first book for English, and I've already finished the fifth book, I can't tell where one book ends and another begins. lewismith3 (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Red Dawn

Shouldn't something be said about the novel's similarities with the film, Red Dawn? McDanger 09:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I mentioned it in the 'see also' section i started a few months ago. i wouldn't know what to write though. Flage 09:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Damn right its pretty similar to Red Dawn. I thought the exact same thing when I first saw it. Comradeash (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Red Dawn (released 1984) [1] predates TWTWB by 9 years but I've never found any evidence that Marsden knew of that movie when he wrote the book.
Paul Roberton (talk) 06:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers

There are no spoiler warnings and hardly any spoiler free info? Death.by.maggots 00:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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Discussion topics

The discussion page should not be used to discuss whether the book is good or bad or if there are parts of the storyline which may not seem 'logical' or if the story is possible or likely. The fact is that the book has become an extremely popular piece of literature and is widley popular, especially in Australia. --124.180.159.96 (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to questionize anyone, but can someone tell me where Lee's surname Takkan was found? I recall that while reading these books, although in Swedish, I noticed Lee's surname was the only name not mentioned. I'm very glad someone has found out, I only want to know where. 83.185.83.166 (talk) 15:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Article Error/Vandalism

Hi all, just thought I'd point this out. There seems to be an error in the section regarding Corrie's character description. It seems someone has edited this section and made it completely false, stating that Corrie gets shot in the leg and Kevin "thrusts his [combat knife] into all their hearts" Heres what has been edited into the article:

Corrie was thinking about the show grounds. Robyn and Corrie waited for the others. At the thought of the showgrounds, Corrie got a sick feeling in her stomach and a hard lump at the back of her throat. The more Corrie thought about her friends’ location, the more Corrie was upset. It could have been fate that we had been in Hell on the exact day of the invasion of the town. At least for a few seconds everything was dead quiet. The invaders only fired one more shot, one bullet was all they needed. The bullet hit Corrie’s leg and she hit the ground. She lyed there reviewing the time she had spent with us’, how’d she wished her family would be safe. Kevin fired another shot towards the invaders. As he sprinted into the enemy lines he drew out his combat knife from his belt. He thrusts his blade into all their hearts. Kevin butchered all of them. The others and I rushed over to aid her. Robyn held her hand to assure Corrie would be fine. We all knew that this wasn’t the case. It became harder and harder for her to breath. Each breath was more painful than the last.

It is obvious that this is NOT coherent with the storyline, as Kevin never had a "Combat Knife" at any point in the story. Could someone please fix this problem, otherwise remove the section entirely. I would do it myself, but i am not too familiar with the editing system in Wikipedia.

Also, i noticed that under the Fiona Maxwell character description it states "...knows virtually nothing about camping or living in the bush, but she always has her period on time." If this could also be fixed, much thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 10:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• hahaha at the period thing, though it is funny I will fix it. Blammo77 —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• lol thast what i thought, but still, this is Wikipedia after all - that belongs on uncyclopedia. cheers for the fix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 09:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Spliting off the Ellie Chronicles section

I'd like to suggest that the Ellie Chronicles section at the bottom be split off into its own page. The Tomorrow series and the Ellie Chronicles are two separate series, and as such each should its own page. It would only make sense to have the Ellie Chronicle on this page if the page title were something that covered them both - but I don't think any overall title for both exist. --JoelBarnes (talk) 15:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I would have to say that I agree with this --Sauronjim (talk) 13:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Nick carson (talk) 13:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Dead of Night

Why is the second book in the series missing from this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.3.65.1 (talk) 02:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a book. It doesn't need to be logical.

Everyone please stop arguing about the logistics of the book... write to John Marsden or something. It's just a book. And anyway you're ruining the entertainment value.Htimsleinahtan (talk) 12:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bit silly. I wonder if those same people complain about the lack of credibility in Alice in Wonderland? Anyway, this Discussion page is for discussing improvements to the article, not whinging about a book. HiLo48 (talk) 12:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

This didn't happen.

I noticed this in the plot of the first book: "Ellie, Kevin, and Corrie are chased by soldiers from the showground after seeing a man get shot for attacking a soldier..." I just read the book last week. Nobody got shot or attacked a soldier. They only witnessed someone asking the soldier permission to go to the toilet. -Htimsleinahtan (talk) 12:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to change the article to reflect what the book actually says. (You seem to be quite familiar with it.) HiLo48 (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Unsupported IP edits

An IP keeps changing "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site described the series as "an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation" to "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site praised the series for its well crafted action and depictions of combat stress, describing it as "an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation", sourcing the changes to this review. Quite aside from the citation still being flawed after 3 attempts, the source doesn't support the claims. There is nothing that indicates "well crafted" and the closest you get to "depictions of combat stress" is "These are kids who are well on their way to developing what was once called shell shock", which is altogether different. I've invited the IP to discuss here.[2] --AussieLegend (talk) 09:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Re unsubstantiated claim: well-crafted action.

From this review (which I referenced) [3]

• ...the quality of the description of the harrowing escapes of Ellie and her friends tearing through the bush, dodging bullets, immediately reminded me of Buchan's hero Richard Hannay running from the enemy agent through the English moors in The Thirty-Nine Steps. This high-intensity pace is sustained throughout the books, and is well on par with any modern thrillers and even older spy-adventure classics like, Erskine Childers' Riddle of the Sands, or Geoffrey Household's Rogue Male. But just as well portrayed are those equally harrowing moments where they must be perfectly silent, perfectly still until their legs are cramping so hard they want to scream, but if they do, they know they'll be dead meat.

From his reveiw of The Other Side of Dawn [4]

• ...Ellie's escape and eventual capture after the gas depot bombing was one of the most gripping and exciting sequences in the entire series and in my extensive reading of adventure literature. With the possible exception of Ellie and Homer's bombing of the harbour in The Third Day, the Frost (a.k.a. A Killing Frost in the US), I was glued to the book for the time it took me to read it. The last time I was so engrossed in a chase scene not of Marsden's making was when I read the account of highwayman Dick Turpin's ride to York on Black Bess, in William Harrison Ainsworth's Rookwood (1834), a passage considered by many to be the best chase scene in English literature.

Re unsubstantiated claim: combat stress

From [5].

• ...these books portray the emotional and physical aftermath -- the post-traumatic stress -- of the daring raids and subsequent days of being hunted. They detail the development of the group's love-hate relationship with fear, the addiction to the adrenaline rush, but also the withdrawal symptoms. These are kids who are well on their way to developing what was once called shell shock, and nowadays appears so frequently in Vietnam vets' accounts of flashbacks and nightmares.

Combat stress seemed a good way to describe this using the least number of words possible.

• I thought that the original text "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site described the series as 'an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation'" was vague and that it didn't explain why he thought that the series was 'an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation'. Hence my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.162.159 (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the page name be "the Tomorrow series" not "Tomorrow Series"?

"THE Tomorrow Series" is what the series is called in the body text and on the John Marsden page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.153.2.6 (talk) 05:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Why? The series started with "Tomorrow, When the War Began", so is referred to as the "Tomorrow" series. If it had started with "The Tomorrow, When the War Began" there might be a case for calling it "The Tomorrow" series, but that didn't happen. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

It also says THE Tomorrow Series on the covers of the books.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kbM0XaA7pn0/TSHL6IhdC_I/AAAAAAAAARs/C_MNUjJEmZY/s1600/marsden.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lzzBqATe-8M/TD5gznKM4vI/AAAAAAAAGNk/zT39bryAc6Q/s1600/tomorrow.jpg

http://edu.glogster.com/media/15/52/89/22/52892296.jpg

http://www.quercusbooks.co.uk/images/book-covers/large/9780857387332.jpg