Talk:Paris (mythology)

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Only someone who lacks the social ability to interpret normal human gestures would suggest that "that Paris is shown receiving the gift of life from the trio of Goddesses." It is completely obvious he is handing the apple to Aphrodite. Among many other reasons, the position of his arm (what kind of human would receive a gift from the goddesses with 1 outstretched arm while lounging on uh rock???) and the fact that Hera is pissed off and has her back to him should clue one in. Exactly who champions this alternative interpretation? -- Sour pickle 17:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I couldn't google any such support. So I removed this passage:

An alternative interpretation is that Paris is shown receiving the gift of life from the trio of goddesses. This interpretation is supported by the contention that the three goddesses represent a single goddess in her three aspects of nymph, mother and crone and that to choose the most beautiful makes no sense in this context.

—James S. 09:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I've removed this sentence from the section on Paris in the Trojan War: "Since Homer was Greek, and naturally wanted the Trojans to seem cowardly and weak, he portrayed them as thus." Not only does the statement run contrary to what Homer actually does in the Iliad, where the Trojan characters...particularly Hector...appear quite often as great examples of virtue and bravery, it discusses something outside the scope of what Homer does at all. The passage the sentence is taken from discusses Paris killing Achilles, while the Iliad itself ends when Hector's funeral, prior to Achilles' death. Homer never portrays Paris killing Achilles at all. - Anon.

I have a similar issue with the constant identification of archery with Cowardice-this may have been a common Greek belief, I don't know, it would have to be verified. Certainly, poisoning arrows is less than manly, but but Homer doesn't seem to suggest archery in general is cowardly, given that he never suggest that Teucer, for example, is a coward for using arrows. It seems more likely to identify Paris as definately from Asia Minor (as archery was associated with the East, particularly Lydia, just to the South of Troy.) I don't want to delete it right off the bat, but if no one objects I would alter it. Matveiko 19:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Possible existence and Hittite records

This article really should mention the treaty between Hittite King Muwatalli II and one Alaksandu, king of Wilusa. This name is very likely cognate to the Greek Alexandros.

Helen's Visit to Oenone

I've always know it that it was Paris who begged to be taken to Oenone. Edith Hamilton's Mythology supports this. She writes:

"...Paris begged to be carried to Oenone, the nymph he had lived with on Mount Ida before the three godesses came to him. She had told him that she knew a magic drug to cure any ailment. They took him to her and he asked her for his life, but she refused." (From the Fall of Troy chapter)

I'm not sure if there is another source which says that Helen had involvement, like this article says. Does anyone have the source for that particular part? Has anyone heard this particular version of the story before? If not, I think a fix up of this section might be in order. Are there any objections to this? I will gladly volunteer to do the appropriate changes if everyone is in agreement. Thanks,--France3470 20:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The Ares Story

Is there another source at all for the story about Paris awarding Ares a crown at the end of the childhood section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.11.224 (talk) 11:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

"Paris gave the crown to Ares without hesitation; it was this apparent honesty in judgment that prompted the gods of Olympus to have Paris arbitrate the divine contest between Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena."

Hamilton makes no mention of this in Mythology. She merely says, "[Zeus] told [Hera, Aphrodite, and Pallas Athena] to go to Mount Ida, near Troy, where the young prince Paris, also called Alexandros, was keeping his father's sheep. He was an excellent judge of beauty, Zeus told them." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.11.224 (talk) 11:48, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Garbage

This article is complete unreferenced garbage with POV (mercilessly?)... Complete rewrite is called for. There are enough ancient sources. Meishern (talk) 16:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguous entries

1. "it is speculated that in order to hit Achilles, he hit him from behind. Tradition holds that Paris killed Achilles later in the war. Many accounts attribute it to an arrow guided by Apollo."

Would it be possible to add some sources for these two accounts?

2. "The story was also made into a musical, Paris Prince of Troy, written by Jon English and David Mackay." What story? Let's be more specific with that entry.

ICE77 (talk) 00:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 March 2012

{to go under later treatments} Paris is portrayed as pretty face with no brains in the selection of Aphrodite in a section of the novel, Quicksilver by Stephanie Spinner (2005)

Danieltrue2009 (talk) 02:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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