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Contested PROD. Site does not appear to be notable (I have looked for significant coverage via Google news and found nothing beyond name-drops). Sources are alexa hits (not a sign of notability), and the primary site itself. MASEM (t) 15:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Dream Focus 16:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep How would a review website be determined as notable? I would think by the exclusive interviews they get. People in the game industry do interviews with them, and some of these give exclusive interviews. A well funded company with a costly MMO game wouldn't ignore all others, and agree to just do an interview with this one site, if they weren't notable. Alexa says they get 13 million hits a month, and obviously, a review site that gets millions of people reading the reviews is far more notable than one who gets none at all. Remember, the guidelines are not the only way to determine notability. You can think for yourself, and determine what is the right course of action. Dream Focus 16:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • For full disclosure, MMOSite is also being discussed if it is to be considered a reliable source. I want to stress that notability and reliability are two distinct things; we can have non-notable but reliable sources for supporting notability in other articles; we can have notable unreliable sites that have been discussed at length in other reliable sources (eg like IMDB). If this is deleted, it should not impact the discussion of whether the site is reliable or not, though certainly there may be common sources (that I can't locate) that work towards demonstrating both aspects. --MASEM (t) 16:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Notability has not been established; hits are not a measure of notability; article has no reliable sources, even to establish hits figure pbp 16:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Review on MMMsite specifically [1], [2], some additional info [3]. There really should be a section about their annual awards ceremony. This site is difficult to research reviews on because their entire site is about reviews. Turlo Lomon (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The first two of those links don't appear to be reliable sources pbp 17:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
TopTenReviews has it's own article. There is nothing indicating unrealiability in its list of awards. AlteredGamer is used as a reference elsewhere on wikipedia. It also appears to have editorial oversite, which meets the criteria for a RS. Turlo Lomon (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Again, notability and reliability are two separate facets. We have articles on unreliable sources, and we have reliable sources that don't have their own article. --MASEM (t) 17:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Confused, so please enlighten me. The winner for Website Excellence in Education is considered an unreliable source, per your own words. What exactly does a website have to do to become a reliable source? Turlo Lomon (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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