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Katherine Webb

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Not really notable for anything other than ESPN not being able to take the camera off her during the BCS National Championship game. Although she was Miss Alabama, she hasn't won any other notable pageant. If you look at the other "Miss U.S. States" women on the template at the bottom of the article, you'll see that most have other modeling/pageant info on them. She has only won a single pageant and is famous mainly because of social media, therefore I believe the article is irrelevant. Thechased (talk) 23:18, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete- This women's primarily notability was a minor controversy, and Miss Alabama is not enough for an article. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Save-As long as wikipedia includes Kim Kardashian, the bar is low enough to let this one over. User:Liptonius|(talk • contribs) 19:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, that's a bad comparison, since Kardashian has a TV show and a ton of coverage. Drmies (talk) 04:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete Although I agree with the nominator, she has suddenly become notable because of the ESPN commentator, she is notable for Miss Alabama but not notable enough. JayJay^{What did I do?} 04:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sweet Jesus please. No. Of course not. Some old guy says something about some young girl, she kisses a hot-shit quarterback, people follow her on Twitter, and we have a Wikipedia article. No doubt Dream Focus will be here shortly to argue that Miss Alabama is in fact a position giving notability, but it ain't. Roll Tide, and delete this quickly. Come on man. Drmies (talk) 04:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't there some sort of precedent where winning a state level pageant was enough for notability purposes? Don't get me wrong- I think that it'd be better to have something along the lines of List of winners of Miss Alabama USA pageant listing all the winners and redirect there for all winners that don't have individual notability. I just seem to remember a lot of AfDs closing with "keep" because a state level win was considered notability enough.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Re Tokyogirl's question, we already have an article for Miss Alabama USA, which lists all the winners; indeed, Ms. Webb's bodacious photo is at the top of that article.. My recollection is also that a lot of state winners have been kept on the basis that winning a state pageant (and the coverage attendant thereto) conveys notability. While I appreciate where Drmies is coming from, I also think this case is not so easily dismissed; Webb has now received substantial coverage for two different events so she can't be categorized as a WP:BIO1E case. My own inclination would be to let this article hang around for 6 months or so and then come back and see if she has disappeared from public view or not. But I certainly understand the reasoning of the delete !votes. --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. Drmies has an interesting Auburn-Alabama problem, like that happy couple does, incidentally. But if there is "controversy" (our buzzword for "trivia"), it's for the old guy's article, not for this one. And winning a state pageant, I don't see how that is enough grounds for notability. Where does it stop? Clanton, Alabama, has a Miss Peach competition in like a dozen age categories. And maybe the Homecoming Kings and Queens at major land-grant institutions then should be notable as well: they generate local coverage. How notable is Miss Alabama 2012, with the cut-off date for news coverage set at 1 January, before anyone outside of the state of Alabama knew who she was? This notable: zero hits. Someone who's better at searching through coverage may come up with more, but I think it should be clear that before the old guy's remarks (that's a controversy? I should apologize to the country to, since I just farted in these here United States) there was no way she would pass the GNG, which leads me to believe that such a title alone does not make one notable. Drmies (talk) 05:40, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If winning a state-level pageant has previously been deemed enough notability, I think we need to revisit that. As for the "controversy", that is is bunch of trivia, nothing more. Yeah she's pretty, but next year no one will no who this woman is, unless she does something else. LadyofShalott 05:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Given the plethora of coverage that has happened to this women lately, in addition to her being Miss Alabama (I would presume she then competed at the national comp)I presume that she is notable. I would like to respond to Arxiloxos that notability is not temporary in regards to coming back in six months. Either she is right now, and it stays. Or she isn't, and it goes. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 05:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know and support WP:NTEMP, I cite it myself all the time. But as a practical matter, sometimes we see bio articles that are kept the first time through and then when they are reviewed later, everyone says, "why did we ever think that person was notable?" My hunch--just a hunch--is that this could be one of those times--or, alternatively, she might have her own reality show in 6 months. One way or another, the situation is likely to be a lot clearer. As far as whether she's notable right now . . . well, in the real world sense of the world, obviously she is; in the Wikipedia sense, it's a borderline case.--Arxiloxos (talk) 05:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Along those lines: what was the name of that woman who wasn't involved with that general but there was something about her email and it caused a scandal? If you have to look it up I can rest my case... Drmies (talk) 05:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Drmies et al. She would have to claim the national title (she didn't) or something else extraordinary to be notable. This article is of the opinion that Miss Alabama USA isn't even a particularly notable pageant when compared to the older Miss Alabama pageant. I like the way they sum it up. Altairisfar (talk) 09:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Another beauty pageant winner who doesn't meet notability guidelines-63.141.199.99 (talk) 12:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]