Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Komsky

George Komsky

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Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG -- no awards etc., no substantial coverage. The article is constructed out of air, using press releases and generic websites -- and the main point is there's nothing else to use. Do have a look at the history -- quite a collection of socks, for an article less than a week old, and obviously an intensive effort by a PR firm. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 04:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:ENTERTAINER, WP:NMUSIC, WP:CREATIVE, WP:GNG, etc. Qworty (talk) 05:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Obvious socks and clear conflict of interest violation. Main contributor's user name points to the owner of George Komsky's PR firm and author of several sources within the article. That wouldn't be a reason for deletion, except that her client doesn't fulfill any of the notability requirements as noted by nominator.Coffeepusher (talk) 05:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In fairness to the main contributor, there has been no attempt to hide the fact that he/she represents Komsky, nor has the use of alternative names been used deviously, as far as I can see. Commercial involvement doesn't automatically preclude article creation, which is why I responded to a request to improve the article having previously speedied it. I'm happy for the article to be judged on its merits, but I don't think that accusations of underhand behaviour are justified Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think nominator is clearly wrong and his arguments are misleading. Yes the initial editor seems to be someone connected with the article, but there are numerous editors on the page so clearly people who know this guy have added to it. The nominator is clearly ignoring the fact that his person has cited pretty much all his claims. Awards? He works with a Grammy award winner and looks like sang on US national TV for 23 million people less then four months ago. Qworty is wrong about WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:CREATIVE, he clearly qualifies under both categories. Coffeepusher, i don't know what sock is but it looks like several people have edited this article and I disagree with you. MikeSoyf (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC) This template must be substituted. This template must be substituted.[reply]

Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from working with people who actually won awards. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete - fails WP:42 while there are many links, there are none to significant converge by reliable third party sources. The significant coverage is from his PR firm, the "reliable" stuff is trivial mentions in by primary sources that he appeared in their charity functions.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I disagree with all of you, but then I would wouldn't I? Some of your points are well made and are reflected in the changes that the article has underwent, however to insinuate that something underhanded has been done from a PR firm is untrue and ridiculous. There is no COI in this article, although I started it I have not had much to do with it after the initial writing (which was guided by an admin). The Notability questions are inaccurate based on the accomplishments of the subject. He tours on major stages across the world (SF Symphony among them) and all claims currently in the article are legitimate and valid, which you've all read and seemingly scoffed at. He does not fail WP:ENTERTAINER or WP:CREATIVE after reading what these stand for. The references that are there now are reliable, and third party based. Ngoesseringer (talk) 10:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
- You "have not had much to do with it after the initial writing"?? I've just reported you at AN3 for edit-warring today on it! Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

a huge swath of the sources are not third party. they are sites aligned with the charities that he has performed benefits for; and they have an inherent conflict of interest in having a SOMEONE rather than a NOBODY perform for their cause.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

actually the notability requirements are WP:BAND since he is involved in music. Does he fulfill any of those notability requirements? On my read he doesn't.Coffeepusher (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ngoesseringer, I would like to ask why you said "George is my client, and my company Kultura PR is a reputable company" but just now claimed "to insinuate that something underhanded has been done from a PR firm is untrue and ridiculous. There is no COI in this article." Please advise.Coffeepusher (talk) 14:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because he is working on is album, you are correct to question the notability for a musician. However he meets criteria number 1 and 12: his references to articles are legitimate and he had been written about and covered in reputable papers. On point 12, he was the subject of. CBS news special in the Bay Area that aired to 4 million people in 2011. I would say that qualifies as major. But who of the editors removed the only link that I could find to verify that special. Therefore you haven't seen it. Ngoesseringer (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the redoenofdoom above had made some very ugly and inappropriate comments in his edits. He is also clearly biased against this article based on his aggressiveness and nastiness. I believe something else is going on here and will be reporting his behavior shortly. I don't know why he has to call 'George' a nobody... That is the definition of subjective nastiness and seems highly suspicious. The reason there is no COffeepusher, is that there are several other editors of this article besides me. Unfortunately, whoever those people are they made mistakes when they edited the article, as seemingly all their contributions were excised by you.