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G-Zay

G-Zay (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Populated account categories: confirmed · suspected
For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/G-Zay/Archive.


07 July 2013

– An administrator or SPI clerk requires more information to determine what action to take.

Suspected sockpuppets

I'm tempted to WP:DUCK it but a sleeper check could be helpful; simply see contribution history of the reported sockpuppet for evidence of methodical reversion of the master account's edits, along with repeated, incessant claims of not being G-Zay without being accused of being G-Zay (that I'm aware of). :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 04:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note that G-Zay isn't just blocked, he's banned, and as such any contribution made by using a sockpuppet can and will be reverted on sight without further justification. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 04:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

The account and the IPs according to a recent discussion appear to be from the United Kingdom, as with all of G-Zay's accounts. They edit the same articles of interest (i.e. Final Fantasy). Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For info (and although I know CUs normally don't comment on IPs), the IP he blatantly admitted to using right after being blocked is 89.240.44.205 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 05:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what to say. It's awkward to be accused to be somebody you're not. Upon doing some research, this is not the first time that somebody has been accused to be G-Zay. I saw the contributions provided by G-Zay (most notably the Hiroyuki Ito page when it was at its most lengthy) and I was let down when most of it was revealed to be untrue. That said, I have noticed that almost every bit of info that is true, legit, and sourced, that has been contributed over the past few days/weeks by anonymous members has been reverted due to suspicion of it being by G-Zay. That never really bothered me. However, when I saw a legit and referenced contribution to the Final Fantasy XII page (my fave JRPG) by an anonymous member that was reverted due to people thinking it was G-Zay, that really pissed me off. I mean, are we seriously removing any legit info simply because we believe G-Zay is the one contributing it? I don't like that approach. As a result, I decided to join Wikipedia and try and add as much legit info myself. Granted, I will use some of the past contributions as a blueprint, and find sources and references to back them up (saves me time typing up new prose), but at least it won't get reverted just because of the person contributing it. Well, that was what I thought until this new accusation came up.

Anyway, I think I went off-topic, but to answer this investigation, I'm not G-Zay, but I will be using past prose (including that provided by him) as a blueprint when writing for pages. It saves me time thinking how I will write something in prose. I'll just use past people's prose and put my main focus in providing verified sources and references. ArchadianJudge (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to say that ArchadianJudge is G-Zay. That's what the SPI is for. But I do find it incredibly suspicious that, just after semiprotecting some of G-Zay's favorite articles after his latest round of showing up as an IP to change things, a brand-new user pops up and immediately does almost nothing but add back in the contributions that G-Zay had originally put in to articles relating to Hiroyuki Ito and Motomu Toriyama. And I mean literally nothing else; ArchadianJudge has over the course of the two days he has made edits on just reintroduced things that got stripped out of articles due to G-Zay's tendency to fabricate information and sources. I don't like that we keep blocking IPs and reverting changes by editors that we think are G-Zay. It really sucks. But you know what else sucks? Having to strip out massive amounts of information from dozens of articles because G-Zay is a serial liar who made up sources and made up information from real and fake sources, and then having to smack him down every few weeks when he pops up, thinking that maybe this time we won't notice. We're not idiots, even if we are hampered by process. I'm torn between hoping that you're not G-Zay and just missing how deep the problem runs with his "sourced" information, and hoping that you are, and I can stop second-guessing myself and just block every ip/user that fails the duck test from now on. --PresN 06:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You need to make sure your facts are right before you start giving "evidence". I joined on July 1st, as I saw that some good info was removed from the Final Fantasy XII page due to people thinking the anonymous person that contributed it was G-Zay. I saw what was contributed and believed there was no reason why it should have been completely removed from the page, as it was all sourced and verified. In my dismay, I then joined Wikipedia to put the info back on the page. I figured that having an account would be make adding the info back more reputable. I also included my reasoning for joining on my talk page. In fact, that was my first Wikipedia edit. After that, I tried to edit the Final Fantasy XII page, but found I couldn't as it was semi-protected. Therefore, I decided to edit other pages related to Final Fantasy XII, instead. If you look at my contribution history, you'll find that all my edit on July 1st are on pages related to the game.
On July 5th, I was watching a video interview on YouTube about FFX|X-2 HD Remaster and it stated that Motomu Toriyama was the director of the game. I therefore decided to provide the info as a contribution to Wikipedia. However, I also edited the Motomu Toriyama page based on blueprints of past edits, its current references, and my own research of the credits of games that Toriyama has worked on. I equally did this with the Yoshinori Kitase page and the Hiroyuki Ito page. I even went so far as to contributing the official box art for the game JJ. Lastly, I returned to the Final Fantasy XII page and added back the info that the anonymous user contributed and was reverted. I also provided my own prose of info to the Legacy section of the page.
I'm just saying all this so you can you can correct your misunderstanding and wrong information. If you want to provide evidence of what I've done, at least make it accurate. ArchadianJudge (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious G-Zay sockpuppet.

  • joined the day G-Zay's newest IP edits were reported
  • exclusively the same area of interest (Square Enix articles, 12 pages edited both by both G-Zay and ArchadianJudge)
  • same type of edits: endless credits and infobox changes, Hiroyuki Ito praise, Yoshinori Kitase bashing, wrongful attributions to game creators, mixing facts with fake information to feign reliability
  • immediately comments on and denies sockpuppet allegations although as a new user, he shouldn't even know where these discussions take place

Some diffs showing the similarities:

Expect many more of those accounts to pop up from now on as he has a dynamic IP. But he's easily recognisable as he always acts the same.Xiomicronpi (talk) 14:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as mentionned, see the contributions, and especially the edit summaries; methodically undoing the removal of G-Zay's editrs is a rather obvious sign. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 14:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To defend myself against the aforementioned bullet points above:

  • I only joined when legit info that was contributed from a anonymous user was removed from the Final Fantasy XII page due to the belief it was done by G-Zay. Even if you believe G-Zay contributed the info, that's no reason to get rid of legit and verified info from the page. I saw this happen, and that's why I joined Wikipedia; I wanted to contribute the same info myself. Here's a comparison of the contribution by an anonymous user and the revert done against them: (July 1). I saw this revert happen by checking the page history and that's why I decided to chime in by joining and contributing back the anonymous users legit info. So basically, me adding back reverted info is not solid evidence that I'm G-Zay.
  • I'm mainly here to edit the Final Fantasy XII page. However, when I joined, it was semi-protected, so I decided to edit pages related to the game instead. I then disappeared for a few days to wait until I could actually edit the page. However, on June 5th, I found a video interview that stated Motomu Toriyama was the director of FFX|X-2 HD Remaster. This made me come back to Wikipedia and contribute the info. However, I ended up looking at the page history of games and staff related to him and making edits based on reverts of pass contributions by anonymous users that were simply removed due to the suspicion of it being G-Zay.
  • You're exaggerating my types of editing. I've only edited the info box for a few games and none of my edits have been wrong. I haven't praised Hiroyuki Ito. In fact, I've praised him less in my edit than the ones that Xiomicronpi contributed, as I removed the statement in the opening that has all the FF games he worked on as the battle system designer. My main contribution to the Hiroyuki Ito page was added some NES games he worked on and presenting his credits with better prose, such as "Battle system designer", rather than "Battle design" or "Battle plan". Also, what Yoshinori Kitase bashing? I have done no such act. Look at my reverted info by Xiomicronpi and there's nowhere that I bashed Kitase: (July 6). In fact, the Kitase page is already filled with a major lie that I tried to remove. It states that Kitase was the "Chief Director" of Final Fantasy X, but the game credits don't say this at all and neither does Kitase himself in any interview. Where is the proof for such a statement? Lastly, there's nothing wrong about my attributions to each game creator, I research extensively before adding any credit info to a page.
  • As for me immediately commenting on and denying sockpuppet allegations, that was a obvious action for me, as all the pages I edited are on my Watchlist. While trying to submit an edit to the Final Fantasy XII page, I was told that somebody had edited the page in the interim, resulting in a edit conflict. I checked their edit, only to find that it was simply a revert of my previous edit with a statement that basically said I was G-Zay and not welcome here. I immediately reverted their edit and stated, "I'm not G-Zay. I'm a separate contributor that is adding verified info." You can see the comparison of our edits here: (July 7). I decided to check my Watchlist after this, only to find all my edits had been reverted on the grounds of people believing I was G-Zay. Most of these reverts were done by Xiomicronpi, and he included the statement on all of them, "reverting vandalism by G-Zay sockpuppet ArchadianJudge". As a result, I simply reverted his edits and included the statement in return, "I'm not G-Zay. I'm a separate contributor that is adding verified info.". Go and check my contribution history and you'll see this to be true.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue defending myself on this matter, I'll just wait for the SPI check to come through, as it will prove my innocence. ArchadianJudge (talk) 19:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • Before any check can be run, we need at least one diff from the master or a previous sock and at least one diff from the suspected sock, supporting an explanation as to how the accounts are suspected to be related. WilliamH (talk) 08:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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