Talk:Mötley Crüe

They Are Also Glam Punk And Alt. Metal

Their debut Album, Too Fast For Love is considered Glam Punk, Glam Metal and Heavy metal. The Glam Punk page also claims that they are Glam Punk. And if you read The Dirt, the bands autobiography, Nikki Sixx (If I remember correctly) also considers them Glam Punk. I think that that is good enough to get glam punk added onto their list of genres without it being deleted. Also, anytime I add alternative metal, it is too deleted. In the 90's when Grunge became popular, Mötley Crüe experimented a more alternative style in their album Generation Swine. Again, I think this is good enough to have alternative metal to their list of genres... along with Glam Metal, Heavy Metal, Hard Rock and my addition of Glam Punk. I aslso would lie to add Shock Rock onto their Genres, because like many of their influences, They use live shock value in their shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.46.101 (talk) 16:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Until you have consensus here, please quit changing the infobox. If you keep changing it before you have a discussion and consensus here, the only thing your going to accomplish is getting yourself blocked from editing. Mlpearc powwow 18:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• My personal opinion is that the infobox should only contain a band's most recognizable genre, in this case heavy metal. If reliable sources exist to support other genres, then a separate section within the text, 'musical styles', can be added. J04n(talk page) 21:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Any add-on's or changes have to be backed by Verifiable sources and be applied to a good portion of the bands anthology and not just a song or two. Mlpearc powwow 21:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Motley Crue formed in 1980, not 1981, and stop adding speculations that they will break up by 2014

Someone keeps editing the page to give the impression that the band formed in 1981, a year after to their actual formation. No explanation is being given as to why this edit keeps appearing, no source, no edit comments, nothing. There is a source in the article that clearly states activity began in 1980.

And there is no news yet as to when the Motley Crue farewell tour will happen, yet I've also seen speculations that they will break up by 2014, and will have an album out by 2013. Where is this coming from? Again, no source is being given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrIpodz (talk • contribs) 02:00, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Note by a Motley Crue Fan. I can prove that Motley Crue formed in 1980 i watched the Motley crue uncensored movie and when the band watched thier first ever video of Take me to the top the bass guitartist Nikki Sixx said what year was that 1981 or 1980.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.181.44.47 (talk • contribs)

Hi Motley Crue fan. You will have to provide a reliable source for your edit, not just your recollection of what someone said in a movie. Please provide a source to a newspaper, magazine, book, or website. I am reverting again. -- Dianna (talk) 22:38, 4 Ap

Note by Motley Crue fan. An interview with vince neil in 2013 he said that the Motey crue farewell tour will happen in 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.233.65 (talk) 04:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

What interview, and where do I find it? I can't find any proof of Neil even talking about Motley Crue breaking up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrIpodz (talk • contribs) 20:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Note by Motley crue fan. You guys still keep on editing the page saying that Motley Crue Formed in 1981 i keep on telling you guys that Motley crue formed in 1980. If you really want proof go on Answers.com and type in in what year did Motley crue start and you'll see the answer will be 1980. Even i also see you put Vince Neil Lead vocals 1996-present in the band members section insted of 1997 in the years of turmoil 1992-2003 section it says the Band reunited with vince neil in 1997 not 1996 so why do you put 1996-present not 1997 write back anytime.

Hi, I see you've changed it back again. Do you have any reliable sources you can give that support the 1980 date? I've already added two that support January 1981. – 296.x (talk) 19:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Note By MOtley Crue fan.

I saw your note that says you added two sources that support January 1981 what does sources even mean. Even i still want to know why in the band members section it says Vince Neil 1996-present in the years of turmoil 1992-2003 It says the band reunited wint vince neil in 1997 not ,96 why does it say vince neil 1996-present not 1997. write back anytime — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.233.65 (talk) 22:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. A "source" means something like a trustworthy news article or a book that helps support information you put in a Wikipedia article. So, for example, here I found two books that say that Motley Crue formed in January 1981. I then cited the books as references next to the sentence that says that. If you look at the sentence that says "Mötley Crüe was formed on January 17, 1981", there should be two numbers after it. Clicking on each number will take you to the bottom of the page, where you can see the information about the books I cited, such as "Bang Your Head: The Rise and Fall of Heavy Metal".

I'm not sure why it said "Vince Neil: 1996–present". I've changed it to 1997–present as it does seem that's when they reunited.

Also, please do not change or remove comments other people have left; it is usually not okay to do this. You can read more about this at the talk page guidelines page. – 296.x (talk) 03:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I went on this Answers.com website and asked for myself when Motley Crue formed - it told me 1981. Just saying. −MrIpodz —Preceding undated comment added 07:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Note by Motley Crue fan. When you went on Answers.com you problaby didnt type in the word i told you to type in if you want proof

Here's what you have to type in look below type this in

IN What Year Did Motley Crue Start

Type in that and you will see that answer will be 1980

even if you want more proof watch the Moley crue uncensored documentry movie from 1986 watch most of the movie when it gets to the band watching thier first ever video of Take me To the Top you will hear the bass guitarsist of Motley crue Nikki Sixx say what year was that 1981 or 1980 write back anytime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.233.65 (talk) 21:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh for crying out loud! What difference should it make as to how you type a question on answers.com? Why should one way of asking the question be of more reliability than another? I typed it as "When did Motley Crue form?" I don't see why that shouldn't have yielded the same answer. You know what? I don't even know why I'm trying to play your game. Answers.com is hardly a reliable source, and is definitely not more reliable than the sources that have already been given to prove that their formation date is 1981.

Also, grow up and stop changing the section headline from "Motley Crue formed in 1981, not 1980..." to "Motley Crue formed in 1980, not 1981..." I hope you're not immature enough to alter this too.

Another thing...You've used the documentary argument already. Like Diannaa said, "You will have to provide a reliable source for your edit, not just your recollection of what someone said in a movie" yet you have failed to do this. Look, if you are incapable of providing a reliable source (a link to a news article or a RELIABLE website, or a book, newspaper or magazine), then please, just give up. You're not doing yourself any favours here. −MrIpodz, 1st May, 2013. —Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Note By A Motley Crue Fan.

HI Motley crue did'nt form in 1981 they formed in 1980 let me tell you something i even met motley crue in New york when signed autographs and I even asked them when did you guys start and Nikki Sixx said 1980 write back anytime.

Yeah, I don't see any reason to trust your word. You can't prove to me that you met Nikki Sixx and he said that. Is the word "SOURCE" not entering into your mind at all? You seem to have a new story as to how you "know" Motley Crue formed in 1980 every time. To me, it seems as though you're lying.

Also, when I clicked on your I.P. address and then clicked "talk" I found several notices repeatedly asking you not to add or change content on the Motley Crue article, as well as other articles, without citing verifiable and reliable sources. I also see several final warnings and temporary edit bans. Are none of these things a sign that you should stop and just accept the fact that as far as everyone knows, Motley Crue formed in 1981? – MrIpodz (talk) 3 May 2013

Note by Motley crue fan.

Im not the fucking one who's lying you are you're always the one who's lies about when motley crue formed. 1980 is when the Crue formed not 1981 even my family knows that motley crue formed in 1980 even my friends we all think that you're the lier.

Oh my God...We're clearly not lying if we're using reliable sources, which you're not. I'm sorry, am I supposed to feel threatened that your friends think I'm a "lier" because I certainly don't. You can't claim to tell the truth when you've recieved so many warnings and edit bans. If it was up to me I'd ban you from editing pages altogether. Stop making yourself out to be a more reliable source than everyone and everything else; you're not. Give up.

Note By Motley crue fan.

You're right im sorry for calling you a lier im just upset right now i hope you aceapt my apoligy. But like you said a SOURCE means like a website or a book or newspaper well im not lying im series i have a book thats called The definitive illustrated Encyclopedia of Rock Motley crue is in it but on the page it says motley crue 1980-present like i said im not lying write back anytime.

Well okay, I'll forgive you. For your source to be accepted you need to include the details of the book in a reference template e.g. title, date/year published, author, page number etc. That way, it can be checked to be true or false by someone else who has the book. Adding in the 1980 date without giving a source means it cannot be verified, and since the sources already in the article support the 1981 date over any other, it will keep getting reverted back to this.

Also, don't keep changing my initial comments at the top. Yes, we disagree on the matter, but I don't change your comments.

Note by Motley crue fan

Hi the book was writing by Elvis Presley's guitarist Scotty more and the book was written in 2005 but they made an updated version of it in 2010. The book has 5000 pages with some other cool bands like Kiss Ac/dc The Ramones The Rolling stones and like I said Motley Crue. And I do not know what the word verified mean sorry for asking you these questions but some of these words you're saying I do not know what it means. Also I heard a interview with Vince neil there's no video of it but you can hear it on the internet he said that their Farewell tour will happen in 2014 and 2015 the reason why he said 2015 is because tours last about two years you got to the US Canada Europe Asia it take some time.So if you're a regestrated user maybe you can put in the motley crue tour section Farewell tour 2014-2015 write back anytime.

Note by Motley Crue fan

Hi I have 2 Sources that Motley Crue formed in 1980 1. The Definitive illustrated Encyclopedia of rock 2. The Greatest groups of Heavy metal. I have both books in each book it Titles Motley Crue was formed on January 17 1980. Please write back anytime.

Can't you find a better photo and tattoos so?!?

The first question is just a little a complaint. Can't you guys find a better photo of the band? And if not can you tell me how to get a better for the band for Wikipedia. Now the second question is in regards to the line and they are heavily tattooed? I do not see how that is relevant. They are heavily tattooed... So!?! Who cares!?! Lots of people are! This statement almost reads like a 5 year old wrote: "They drink and they smoke and they have tattoos. That's wrong!" Who cares if they are heavily tattooed how is this relevant compared to another rock band who are covered in tattoos and their tattoos barley get mentioned?? Why did you find time to even make this statement?!? (120.149.122.82 (talk) 06:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC))

Terrible first paragraph in Early Years section

It reads: "Mötley Crüe was formed on January 17, 1980,[4][5] when bass guitarist Nikki Sixx left the band London and began rehearsing with drummer Tommy Lee and vocalist/guitarist Jacob Waxman. Lee had worked previously with Leon in a band called Suite 19[6] and the trio practiced together for some time with Leon eventually deciding not to continue. Tommy took over from previous drummer Butch Brusco. "

This is confusing. Who is Leon? Well you have to go to the footnote to find out it's Greg Leon. The article should use a full name when someone is first discussed. The part that says "the trio practiced" is really unclear. Is that referring to Suite 19, which according to the vague interview with Greg Leon could have been a trio, or is it referring to Lee, Sixx and Waxman and then how was Leon involved? Was pervious drummer Butch Brusco in the proto-Mötley Crüe or in Suite 19? According to the footnote the previous drummer in Suite 19 was Gary Holland. One shouldn't have to go the footnotes to decipher what an article means but to verify that it is accurate. But even with going to the Leon interview I still am unsure what this is all supposed to mean. I can't rewrite any of this because I don't know anything about the band nor have any reference works to check. But it sorely needs a rewrite here. Plus from the above discussion it seems to me very unlikely the band formed on 1/17/80. People keep saying it was formed 1/17/81 and cite sources. Someone else cites a film and says it's was in 1980. Was just the 81 changed to 80 here? I don't know. I'm ignorant here and came to the article to learn about the band. Miranda Meagan Keefe (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:25, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

So when the footnotes didn't explain this I decided to look at the previous edits. Well I found out that some vandal had been putting Jacob Waxman, using a strange spelling, in for names of the band members and the band itself. Somehow this vandal's substitution of this for Greg Leon's first mention got missed by the editors undoing the vandalism, maybe because he spelled the name more normal. The vandal took out the hotlink to Leon's article and the footnote verifying the information. Since I followed the old footnote and verified it while doing this, I felt like it was appropriate to restore this. Now it reads fine. Funny how one bad edit can ruin an entire paragraph.Miranda Meagan Keefe (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I Told you I Have 2 sources that says Motley crue formed in 1980