Talk:Tenth Doctor

Sex/Dancing

"The 2006 series continues the exploration of the Doctor's romantic aspects, with the Tenth Doctor sharing kisses with Rose (albeit while she was possessed by Lady Cassandra) and Madame du Pompadour." It was pretty clear to me that the Doctor did more than share kisses with Madame de Pompadour ("The Girl in the Fireplace")! She reads into his mind and becomes mentally intimate with him, states that it's time that the lonely boy was no longer lonely (or words to that effect), led him into her bedroom - and the next time the Doctor shows up in a scene he's loudly singing "I Could Have Danced All Night." (Dancing being an occasional awkward metaphor in the series for sex.) Aren't we sort of determinedly ignoring all this? I have seen far more subtle representations for sex in other movies and television... - The Unknown Fan

Kilt joke

It might be helpful if someone can locate the original article in which Tennent is quoted as saying he wanted to wear a kilt as the Doctor so it can be cited in the article. 23skidoo 19:33, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

It was in The Daily Mirror (link to web version added as you suggest.) --TimPope 19:50, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Well done, thanks! (It's a fun piece of trivia if nothing else). 23skidoo 02:33, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Accent

There's a new interview with RTD in SFX (ha!), in which we find this:

There have been all these conflicting stories about the Tenth Doctor’s accent. Will he be English? Will he be Scottish? Will he be a bit of both? So, go on, tell all. For us! “D'you know, I keep getting letters about this, and it's weird. Did you not watch 'The Parting of the Ways'? Did you fall asleep before the last scene?! (Don't answer that) He spoke! That was his accent, him there, that Doctor talking, on screen, him. I know he doesn't say much, but it's very, very clear. Anyway, describing accents in print is one of the odder things I've been asked to do, so you'll just have to find out at Christmas."[1]

I feel like some part of this ought to be included, or at least reflected, in the bit on this page about the Tenth Doctor's accent, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to do it. Anybody else care to give it a go? —Josiah Rowe 01:26, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I've done something. Have a go at it.--Sean Black Talk 01:34, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I've tweaked it a bit more, 'cause it seems to me that Davies is casting a doubt on whether we're hearing what we think we're hearing when we call his accent "Southern English". But then, I'm a Yank, so what do I know? —Josiah Rowe 01:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm from the States, as well, actually. My experience with accents is mostly limited to Ben and Tegan, as sad as that is :).--Sean Black Talk 01:49, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I lived in England for a year (attending Uppingham School), for what that's worth, but I'm still far from Henry Higgins when it comes to UK accents. —Josiah Rowe 01:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I Am a Dalek

Just to be clear, is I Am a Dalek a novel or a short story? As listed now, it appears to be the fourth novel in the Tenth Doctor series. 23skidoo 00:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

It's a novel. A short one, but a novel nonetheless. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 00:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Will it be released by BBC Books or is it coming out under a separate publisher (ie. like Big Finish's Short Trips)? 23skidoo 01:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

It looks like it'll be under BBC Books. Quick Reads is a program that publishers and writers are participating in, not a separate imprint as far as I can tell. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Theme tune link

Can we find a better name for it than "Tenth Doctor's theme music", perhaps along the lines of "New series theme music"? The current name implies the different seasons have different music. (This applies to the Ninth Doctor article too.) --Whouk (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

How about "theme arrangement"? After all, it is the same song. 23skidoo 20:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Arrangement works. Note that the title arrangement is subtly different in The Christmas Invasion; it sounds a lot like the closing theme to series one (which you can only really hear clearly at the end of Parting of the Ways).--Aderack 10:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone actually heard the arrangement being used in the regular series? If it ends up being the same as the 2005 series, maybe the link should be renamed "Christmas Invasion theme arrangement"? 23skidoo 16:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The link isn't to the closing Christmas Invasion music. AFAICT, it's identical to the Eccleston and TCI opening theme - not really a Tenth Doctor specific arrangement at all. It's copyright status is also questionable. —Whouk (talk) 16:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought about that, but I listened to the Ninth Doctor theme link and the Tenth Doctor one back-to-back and there are definite differences. The 10th theme sounds "busier" than the 9th. Maybe they were just recorded off TV differently? 23skidoo 23:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

As I said, the TCI theme sounds like an edit-down of the Eccleston closing theme rather than the opening one. Compare it to what you get over the end credits to Parting of the Ways and tell me it's not the same. --Aderack 16:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Pop Culture references

Maybe something should be mentioned under Personality about the new Doctor's apparent love of Earth pop culture as evidenced in The Christmas Invasion? In his few short moments of action after waking up he managed to reference The Lion King, The Highlander, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Spaghetti Westerns ,possibly a few other things too which I failed to spot.

While not disagreeing, perhaps it's a little soon to make such a conclusion. I would rather wait until we see more of it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Let's wait till a few more episodes are aired. As the Doctor himself says, he's still trying to figure out what kind of man he is. 23skidoo 02:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it that this Doctor is especially well versed in modern culture, or is it that some event in Series 1 made 21st century culture the predominant culture for the next few millenium? Cassandra's knowledge of the word 'chav', as well as the coincidental fact that the 'iPod' she brought out in End Of The World featured 21st century music, and added to that the fact that our present day TV shows are still being shown in thousands of years time, leads me to believe that the pop culture we are experiencing today is going to last for a long time, perhaps the Golden Age of Chav TV. My guess is that when Rose sent out the words Bad Wolf through space and time, she also sent out a copy of the News Of The World that she had been reading. Or am I just nuts? Damiancorrigan 23:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Some of the novels seem to suggest that things go in cultural cycles. In the far future, we'll have episodes of Prisoner: The Next Generation, for example. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I prefer my idea.

Anyway, the cycles seem to be short and frequently recurring - I forget what number Big Brother they were up to but it clearly reappears quite frequently.Damiancorrigan 23:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

"Free Radicals" in tea?

I realize the Doctor stated that the free radicals in tea aided in his regeneration, but I think this was a scripting error, and the intended term was antioxidants (of which tea is actually a good source). Free radicals tend to have a damaging effect on cells. Should any note be made concerning this? I understand this is a little nit-picky, but I'm a stickler about bad science : ) Stationwagontodd 13:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, give the man a break, he's in the midst of regeneration trauma, after all! :) if this is to be added anywhere, it's probably most appropriate in the notes for The Christmas Invasion itself. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Besides, he's been known to "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" and credit the "high concentration of positive ions" for feeling good on the Eye of Orion. :) (I just figure that (a) our terminology is "wrong" compared to the Time Lords, and/or (b) he knows better than we do.) --Joe Sewell 17:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

We're also talking about an alien who could be killed by aspirin, so we shouldn't expect a one-to-one correspondence between human toxins and Time Lord toxins. proteus71 1:31, 11 Apr 2006 (UTC)

Affected accents

Are you certain D10 was the first to use an afected accent? I thought the first Doctor did something like this. And the Fifth Doctor impersonated the accents of at least 3 of the previous four Doctors in Castovalva. 23skidoo 21:17, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry! I should have typed ' first to affect an American accent'. Thanks.  :) proteus 1:27, 11 Apr 2006 (UTC)

OK, that works (unless Hartnell did so in the Gunfighters, of course ...) ;) 23skidoo 05:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Arthur Dent?

He also referred to his pyjamas and dressing gown as being "very Arthur Dent". However, it's unclear as to whether he actually met the character, or was just throwing in a Hitchhiker's reference.

I'm aware of Douglas Adams having been a writer for Doctor Who, but I'll admit I'm not so well versed in the Whoniverse* to know whether or not it crosses over with the HHGTTG universe—although that seems to be pretty darn unlikely, giving the absurd nature of the latter. Are we really suggesting the Doctor might have met a fictional character (in the Doctor's world as well as ours), or that he met a random "Arthur Dent" with the same taste in pyjamas?

* I just googled this term I made up and it appears to be in common use—neat! :-)

82.92.119.11 19:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

In one episode, the Fourth Doctor critiques one of Oolon Colluphid's books. --82.10.128.225 20:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

It's in Destiny of the Daleks, where the Doctor claims that Colluphid got his book on the origin of the universe "wrong on the first line". smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 21:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

That reference was inserted by DNA himself. Well, if the universes do cross over, I guess it's just a matter of time before we see Doctor Who and the Vogons. Maybe this time the Earth won't be demolished... 82.92.119.11 21:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Quirk or coincidence?

OK, so we've now seen the Tenth Doctor twice determine the identity of substances by tasting or licking them. It's odd, but is it noteworthy? A personality quirk or just a coincidence? Thoughts? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he's just been watching too much Due South. Angmering 06:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

It reminded me of Richard E. Grant licking the mirror in The Curse of Fatal Death... —Whouk (talk) 08:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Must be a Tenth Doctor thing. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Grant was a ninth doctor, wasn't he? Damiancorrigan 23:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

He was the tenth incarnation of the Doctor in Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death, too. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

asyncronous timeline?

it mentions this briefly in the "girl in the fireplace" part, but having read the tardis article i didnt see a prominent explanation of this. I think in terms of DW overall it's an important concept to explain to the ininitiated. In "Bad Wolf" (i think) the doctor explains it quickly to rose

cycloid 10:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Regenerations and new knowledge

I don't know enough about the older doctors to know for sure, but I didn't think regenerations gave the Doctor new knowledge. In which case "Like the previous Doctor, it appears the Tenth Doctor is well-versed in human popular culture" is inaccurate. Perhaps it should be something more like "the Tenth Doctor is is appreciative of human popular culture".Damiancorrigan 15:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, everyone seems to be ignoring me, so I'll go ahead and change it. Damiancorrigan 13:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

K-9 and Sarah Jane

Since K-9 and Sarah Jane are long term companions, and in fact, have each been involved with more stories than Rose Tyler, it is presicely common sense which indicates they should be included as companions. In the Tenth Doctor episode in which they appear, K-9 even refers to the Doctor as "Master". Either K-9 is a companion of both the Tenth and Fourth incarnations or a companion of neither. 71.254.4.208 04:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, K-9 and Sarah Jane are listed as companions in the companion section of the article.71.254.4.208 04:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, no. It's like saying Tegan is a companion of the First Doctor on the basis of The Five Doctors. They were guest stars, nothing more. The mentionsof K-9 and Sarah in the Companions section are not as companions; if you actually read the sentence, it is in the context of the School Reunion episode when it mentions Mickey as a companion and that K-9 and Sarah also appeared. It does not say they were companions of the Tenth Doctor. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. Khaosworks said it much better than I could.--SB | T 04:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, she is on that basis. What is the qualification for being a companion, other than traveling with the Doctor? I did read the sentance, and it says that two characters who began with the Third and Fourth Doctors, then appear with the Tenth. Please, Khaos, do not damage the quality of the wiki.71.254.4.208 05:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sarah is a companion, just not one of the Tenth Doctor's. And if travelling with the Doctor is a criterion, then Sarah didn't travel with the Tenth Doctor, did she? The sentence goes as follows: "Rose's boyfriend Mickey Smith (Noel Clarke), a recurring character from the previous season, joined the TARDIS crew as a regular companion in School Reunion. A former companion, Sarah Jane Smith, also appeared in that episode along with the robot dog K-9 (Mark III)." Note my emphasis. She was a companion of the Doctor, but not of this incarnation. You're the one who wants to keep shoehorning this in against consensus. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

There are two ways concensus does not occur, Khaosworks. One is that concensus does not happen because one other guy agrees with you, and two, it does not occur because you say so. If you prefer not think of Sarah Jane as a companion, then don't. But a character who adventured with five different incarnations of the Doctor, lasted for five seasons and is listed as a companion in nearly every Doctor Who guide ever, is probably a companion. The concensus disagrees with you.

Also, the Bananna is relevant exactly because it is featured in both seasons. 71.254.4.208 06:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh, what? No one ever said that Sarah Jane wasn't a companion of the Doctor. What we're saying now is that Sarah Jane is not a companion of the Tenth Doctor. Being the companion of one incarnation of the Doctor does not mean that you are a companion of all the others. Following your line of thinking to it's logical conclusion, we would list all the companions in the history of the programme in the infobox for every Doctor, which would, of couse, be ludicrous. --SB | T 06:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, she is, so the wiki should indicate that fact. What's the harm in leaving the referance there until we get some real concensus on this issue?71.254.4.208 06:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

She was a companion of some of the older Doctors, but Sarah Jane hasn't travelled in the TARDIS with the Tenth Doctor, nor has she appeared in more than one story with the Tenth Doctor. Both of these are important things for every companion; I thought Adam Mitchell was borderline, but there is no way that Sarah Jane is a companion of the Tenth Doctor. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 06:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of "real consensus": I too think that Sarah Jane was not a companion of the Tenth Doctor. That makes it, by my count, at least three editors against her inclusion in the infobox, to one in favour. I think that we can leave her out unless more editors come out of the woodwork supporting her inclusion. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

May we leave her on until people have a chance to comment, rather than revert every ten minutes? If Sarah Jane is not a Tenth Doctor companion because she only appears in one story, perhaps we should not consider her a companion of the Third Doctor, as she only appeared in Four with him. Also, Liz Shaw only appears in three stories, and Sara Kingdom in one. Are they companions?

Also, I fail to see why the status of Sarah Jane Smith has anything to do with my other edits on the page. No one has raised any objection to them specifically, so I have no choice but to determine they have been vandalized.71.254.4.208 07:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Please remember to assume good faith. Jude (talk) 07:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is the good faith here, Jude? The information is relevant, correct, and some of it is not even being challenged in talk before an editor is banned! Is this how Wiki treats newcomers?66.252.251.204 07:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)