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Bill at Companion (Doctor Who)[edit]

Can I direct the project to the discussion at Talk:Companion (Doctor Who)#Bill's inclusion? I've not received a reply to my latest entry here, and although users continue to revert Bill being added to the article I have not seen anyone providing a rationale as to why beyond "she hasn't appeared yet". I don't see why that means we should ignore the plethora of verifiable sources for this information. U-Mos (talk) 16:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Continuity sections under individual episodes[edit]

I've noticed quite a few classic series episodes are attracting a certain amount of fancruft--Peri's bikini is 'the first seen since Sarah Jane Smith' was a doozy (my removal note says "now please take a cold shower"), but I'm not all that clear about what should be there sometimes. For the new series, editors appear to have been insisting on sources for every detail, but many of the classic series story articles are entirely unsourced, including the continuity. Also, some editors seem to be treating the books, comic books, audio plays, etc. as being about equal with the TV series, including follow-ups there. If that's allowed, surely the Continuity sections spiral completely out of control. I've heard of there having been some sort of discussion where the rules were set up for this, could someone point me in that direction? ZarhanFastfire (talk) 05:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Are you looking for a Doctor Who discussion - or something more generic for TV Shows in general? I thought I remembered reading something generic, but after having a look - I think I was mis-remembering WP:POPCULTURE - but I think some of the points it makes are similar for continuity sections. Cheers. Dresken (talk) 06:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
A simple rule for continuity sections on WP: they need to be points made by secondary sources, so that we're documenting what some other authority has stated to be continuity. We're not TV Tropes. Anything unsourced should be removed. --MASEM (t) 14:17, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
It was about Doctor Who episodes in particular, as these are the only articles where I ever see Continuity sections. I had a read through previous discussions of the topic here (there have been several). I've been reluctant to remove sections wholesale till now, taking out only the most egregious unsourced silliness. I'll be more bold from now on, and, true to my name, burn all that which is unsourced with a fast fire. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Here's an example where I hesitate, and seek advice. I've removed some silly unsourced stuff from Terror of the Zygons, and it is now left with these sentences: This serial sees the departure of Harry Sullivan (Ian Marter). Marter would return to play Sullivan and his android duplicate in the fourth story of this season The Android Invasion.[1] He is mentioned in the Fifth Doctor serial Mawdryn Undead, in which he is said to be working for NATO.[2] In this adventure the Loch Ness Monster is identified as being the Skarasen — a cyborg weapon of the Zygons. The season 22 serial Timelash introduces the Borad, who is thrown back in time and also becomes the legendary creature.[3]" What I am concerned about is the sources used in the section, which appear to me to be primary, i.e., the serials themselves rather than secondary. Are they fine for the purpose or should this still be removed? (The stuff I did remove without hestiation included statements to the effect that this is part of a larger story arc (diction not actually used to get around the 'arc' controversy no doubt) which someone added to nearly all the episodes for this season and stuff about Ian Marter's novels--and believe it or not, that he is the last male companion till Adric--seriously, who the hell cares anyway and how could this even remotely be considered "continuity" even with a source? Definition of fanwankery.) ZarhanFastfire (talk) 01:31, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
The main answer for to poor quality of these articles is that a lot of (if not all) the classic series articles were written before current rules and guidelines existed/were finalised and they have just never been updated - while the new series ones in being written now therefore are being written to them. So chances are that a lot of the stuff will be rubbish that shouldn't be there. (talk) 09:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
I found WP:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Manual_of_style has info on Continuity. Although for the "Sullivan" stuff: his departure could be noted elsewhere in the article (i.e. production). His return could be removed as I think it is not really relevant for this article. The mention in Mawdryn should just be removed - I fail to see how it is relevant to this article at all - if we are doing that we might as well list stuff like when the word "Terror" has been used in other Doctor Who episodes titles as well. The dual Loch Ness explanations seem like what I would expect from this section - but I would say need a secondary source to remain. Dresken (talk) 06:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
We had this discussion a couple of years back: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Archive_30#Trainspotting. My own feeling now as then is that continuity sections should only contain info needed to "decode" the episode's plot which a casual viewer would not pick up. That bikini business is classic! Mezigue (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

John Hurt[edit]

I visited the the Doctor article and noticed that the infobox listed all of the actors who have portrayed The Doctor in the series, and Hurt was in a sub-section of that list. Can someone explain how someone who portrayed The Doctor in the series is not included in a list of the people portraying the character? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

The infobox in the article The Doctor (Doctor Who) you are referring to clearly states that the main list of actors are the "Series Leads" - which John Hurt was not a series lead - he was a reoccurring guest star at best. You can also find plenty of discussion if you want something more in depth pretty quickly [1] [2]. Cheers, Dresken (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

List of doctor who comic stories[edit]

The articles listing doctor who comic stories is massively out of date there's no mention of Titan comics in the 3rd 4th 8th 10th or 11th doctor articles and the articles on the 12th and 2nd doctor don't even exist (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

You don't need approval to update it. Go to,it! ' (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

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Anyone care to have a crack at this?[edit]

Please see The Tenth Planet#Music release. It is a mess MOS wise. OTOH it looks to have be supported by refs (though I could be wrong.) I can't tell if it should be spun off into its own article or just cleaned up by those of you who know what needs to be done. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 03:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the outdated uses of {{ref}} and {{endnote}} by using {{efn}} and {{notelist}} instead. If desired, the {{notelist}} can be moved slightly further down the page - but it cannot appear after the existing {{Reflist}}. Similarly with Space Adventures – Music from 'Doctor Who' 1963–1968#Track listing although in the latter case it has meant quadruplication of the sentence "This recording does not actually feature in Doctor Who and was only included due to inaccurate or incomplete documentation." --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Redrose64 MarnetteD|Talk 17:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)