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The initial paragraphs appear to have been copied from marcus evans' corporate site. Mauro Cicognini (talk) 11:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Experience of working for Marcus Evans

This information has been removed for the third time. I have reported it on the official noticeboard, and have a feeling it is being removed owing to its critical nature of the company's employment practices. Ivankinsman (talk) 06:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ivansman - we have reported the unsubstantiated claims to the living biogs noticeboard. We are removing it as it is unsubstantiated and damaging. Please do not replace until you have resolution.

I endorse the removal of the content in this recent edit. The content is unsourced and so shouldn't be included as per WP:V and WP:BLP. Adambro (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My argument is that this information be allowed to remain until there is a resolution. Why should it be removed, given that people i.e. other independent editors will be unable to view it? Also, this is the DISCUSSION page, not the MAIN ARTICLE page, so WP:V and WP:BLP do not apply to this page. As such, I have included it. DO NOT REMOVE IT - THIS IS NOT THE ARTICLE PAGE ...Ivankinsman (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I came across two references during my research for this article to the recruitment and employment practices at marcus evans (The Hospitality Group). However, because they are by individuals and difficult to independently verify, I have included them on this discussion page:

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Wikipedia policy is that contentious claims involving living people are removed until a consensus of editors are satisfied that they are properly referenced and verified and that the material is presented in a factual manner with a neutral tone. Please see here for details. Replacing material that fails to meet the criteria may get you site banned.--Scott Mac (Doc) 20:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is what is says - and note the word ARTICLE: "We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."
Look at the Wiki rules, mate. This does not apply to the discussion page, only to the ARTICLE PAGE!!!! How many times do I have to repeat this???Ivankinsman (talk) 21:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This section was also deleted. It was written by another independent editor and again should remain to invite comments and generate discussion ...

Potentially libellous comments removed.--Scott Mac (Doc) 21:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IT IS NOT WIKIPEDIA POLICY TO DELETE COMMENTS MADE ON THE DISCUSSION PAGE SO DO NOT DELETE THIS. THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE IF THEY ARE TRANSFERRED TO THE MAIN ARTICLE PAGE!!!Ivankinsman (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, mate, you are coming dangerously near blocking here. Stop it. Unreferenced stuff, which is quite obviously negative an POV does not get posted to the talk page. Stop it.--Scott Mac (Doc) 21:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Prove this please, citing the specific rules that apply to the discussion - not the article - page.Ivankinsman (talk) 05:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Stop wikilawyering. This is BLP violating material posted by a now blocked single purpose account. It does not get kept on the discussion page.--Scott Mac (Doc) 09:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ivankinsman, proof: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Non-article space. Contentions may be discussed, but repeatedly posting material that is in violation of the BLP is not acceptable. I trust that is clear. //roux   09:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, now that I have been pointed to the correct wiki law ref. talk pages (which Scott Mac failed to provide) it is! Ivankinsman (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had the mistaken assumption that you might count decency and commonsense better guides that "wikilaw". Wikipedia does not work with laws, and quoting chapter and verse is usually unnecessary. Indeed, I neither knew nor cared if and where the principle was written down.--Scott Mac (Doc) 16:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from "wiki law", isn't it the case that talk pages as well as articles are searchable via Google and such? And that's at least one reason that gross BLP violations have to be kept off talk pages as well? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I used to work for ME, never been ripped off, got a ton of valuable experience and happy I was part of it. Yes, they kick unproductive people out immediately, but this is something that should happen in every company. Unproductive office drones lead this economy to a collapse.

Where does Marcus Evans live?

As a tax exile, ME is allowed to spend 60 days in the UK, where he maintains two houses in Richmond-upon-Thames and Chelsea's The Boltons. His official residential address is a Bermuda company's. So, the interesting question is where does he live? Does he spend the rest of the year living out of hotels? Ivankinsman (talk) 10:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For sucessful international bussiness people liveing on jets and in hotels is not unknown.Genisock2 (talk) 22:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Who cares? Maybe just stick to the "facts", novel idea I know, but worth a shot. --Tom 18:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
When I worked at ME, I heard he spends most of his time in Europe on his yacht.

Birthdate

I noticed the birthdate is unsourced... looking back, it was added by an anonymous user whose only edits are vandalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marcus_Evans&diff=prev&oldid=275174564). I'm new so I can't do anything about it (page is semi-protected), but I think it should be removed, unless someone can provide a source. Thoughts? Itstrh (talk) 11:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the birthdate, since it was unsourced, and added by an account whose only other contributions were vandalism (212.44.45.157), thus I suspect it's likely not accurate. If anyone can find an appropriate source, please feel free to add it back in, with citation. Itstrh (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have recently inserted the correct full name and birthdate taken from Companies House records (and Ancestry website).(Jus naturae (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

Early Life

Someone (Eric Catchpole?) specified a connection with Bury St Edmunds.... can anyone give me further, unsubstantiated, information on this (to be researched)?? (Jus naturae (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Copyright problem removed

One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/fresh-blood-at-ross-group-1614453.html, http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/leisure/article1890248.ece and moneyweek (website blacklisted for some reason? see link in article). Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Yoenit (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After confirming copyvios' from these three sources I decided that the only solution was a to revert the article back to the version from 4 december 2008. Nearly all prose added after that date was added by a known copyright violator and very likely to be a copyvio. It was impossible to remove the copyrighted material from subsequent improvements. I have left the references in the article if somebody wants to rebuild it. Yoenit (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
revdel dif. Yoenit (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Camera Shy

The mention of Moneyweek stating that no photographs are publicly available is kind of cute, but it supports myth building, which isn't good for the over-all quality of Wikipedia articles. Although it may have been true at the time, it isn't clear why Moneyweek would be a reliable source in this matter. To avoid any continued myth building by Wikipedia --something an objective encyclopaedia probably wants to avoid at all cost-- I'd propose to remove this claim or to make clear that its status is that of an anecdote. Currently, photographs are available, though copyrighted and hence not freely available yet publicly available, from the Ipswich Town FC website, e.g. at http://www.itfc.co.uk/news/article/manager-latest-455801.aspx (as of 18 March 2014). This proofs my claim that Moneyweek's statement is anecdotic at best.

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