Talk:Roger Waters

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Errors?

The article says that Waters was inducted (with Pink Floyd) into the U.S. and UK Rock and Roll Halls of Fame in 1996. If my (admittedly feeble) memory serves me correctly, Pink Floyd was enshrined in the UK Hall of Fame much later; 2005 or 2006? Also, it says that The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking deals with his failed marriage to Judy Trim. I've always thought that those songs dealt with Carolyne Christie. This is evidenced by the time-period of the recording, the fictionalized versions of Harry and India who appear in the songs (while Waters and Trim had no children together), and the liner-notes of the album, which say: "For Carolyne". Joefromrandb (talk) 05:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catches, Joe. The UK induction was in 2005 and the cited source does not mention Trim or Christie. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 16:53, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BLP vio

The change I made to the article corrected a grossly out of date section. Its reversion is a serious BLP vio. I hope it's obvious why, but I can explain further if need be. No further reversions to the old version can be made--this is as close to an absolute as WP policy gets. IronDuke 02:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no. You're introducing inflammatory, negative partisan allegations about a living person into that living person's biography. It is blindingly obvious that you would be the one potentially violating BLP here. You need to discuss your proposed changes on the talk page. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 02:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It would help if you would read the source material before reverting. I’ll recap for those who don’t wish to bother: Mr. Waters, in July of 2013, employed a pig balloon with a Star of David painted on it. This was viewed as controversial. The ADL at that time appeared uncomfortable with Mr. Waters’ actions, but did not condemn them. After Waters' subsequent letter re divestment, the ADL issued an extraordinarily strong condemnation of Mr. Waters’ views. To leave the page as it was grossly misstates the current—I’ll repeat that: the current—position of the ADL—unless you have something yet fresher, in which case please do post it.
I could see how it might be fairly said that this section is a bit long, but then again, this is an issue that Mr. Waters feels very strongly about and has advocated for. That said, even if this section were pared down to the very bone, two things would remain—the ADL’s (the premiere organization on issues of anti-Semitism in the world) current views on Mr. Waters’ beliefs, as well as, of course, Mr. Waters’ own.
I’ll also add that reversion in cases of gross BLP violations are not subject to 3rr. I should absolutely revert this on sight, but as a gesture of good faith, I’ll invite you to either do so yourself, or say why outdated (and highly slanted) information should remain. IronDuke 03:12, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]