Talk:Hargeisa

Hargeisa is not the capital of Samalia. It's not even close to being the capital. Mogadishu is the capital! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.94.54 (talk) 16:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Correct, but the article says Hargeisa is the capital of Somaliland, not Somalia. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Hargeisa only has between 70,000-90,000 citizens?

No, it does not, if you ever went there. It feels like a major city at minimum ~300,000...Hargeisa might have had that much citizens, back in the nineties before the city boomed in population...World Gazeteer has the city's population almost at a half mil.

Yes, but there is *no way* Hargeysa has a population of 1.3 million, as this article claims. According to UN Habitat data, based on a GIS survey, Hargeysa has 450,000 inhabitants--which sounds much more reasonable. Jrule (talk) 07:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

This is not a tourist guide.

This article seems like it's preaching the recognition of Somaliland and trying to promote tourism. I am trying to remove as much POV as I can. Zazaban 01:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not pro somali or anything but judging by the rest of somalia or africa for that matter this place is pretty nice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.239.154.174 (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

lol it looks the best place in the world where anybody could move — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.232.83 (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Genocide

Please source that it was a genocide. Which war was that, do we have an article dealing with that?? Unless changed, I will remove the entire section --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hargeisa Regions

Hargeisa,Capital and the largest city of Somaliland consists of seven large broughs(councils).The seven councils are AHMED DHAGAH,MOHAMUD HAYBE,INA KOODBUUR,MAHAMED MOOGE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.94.139 (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

hargeisa name

the literal meaning is not place where hide is sold..this source by briggs "somaliland with addis" has alot of inaccuracies it would be best to leave it out. as an ip user said it might be road to harar not hide selling. Baboon43 (talk) 02:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Image dispute

A monument at Freedom Square commemorating the death of an estimated 40,000 people

Hargeisa Plane Monument.

The user Middayexpress says that they find the image "Monument in Hargeysa.jpg", a memorial commemorating the 1988 bombings, offensive and should not be included in this article. I disagreed citing WP:NOTCENSORED. We are at a crossroads here, and I welcome any other opinions on the matter. You can see our discussion here: user talk:Ross Hill#Hargeisa.
Ping: user:Middayexpress user:Alifazal.

Without weighing in on the censorship dispute I would say the image of the actual plane can be associated better with Hargeisa as it's the more internationally recognizable of the two. 1 2 3 26oo (talk) 11:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Also, as I pointed out to Ross Hill, both images are actually of the same monument [1]. The difference is that the plane image focuses on the monument's centerpiece (i.e. the air force aircraft itself), whereas the other image focuses on a portion of the mural below the plane. Middayexpress (talk) 12:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps an alternative would be displaying both with {{multiple image}}. Example shown on right. Ross HillTalk to me! 22:16, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

That's too large for the section, which already contains an image of the modernized airport for balance. A better solution would be either the plane centrepiece itself, or the an image showing the entire monument in its natural visual context, as on the left. Middayexpress (talk) 22:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Moving image to right for discussion flow Ross HillTalk to me! 23:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The size can be reduced as I've demonstrated with this edit. Thanks Ross for suggesting the multiple image as a compromise. But I'm interested in the details of the mural. I'd like to inform the other editors that User:Middayexpress reverted my addition of this "controversial" image on the Somaliland article but didn't do the same when I added the (top) plane image in the History of Somaliland article. The fact of the matter is that one cannot deny the existence of this monument and it is a well known landmark in Somaliland. Middasexpress informed me on my talkpage that this image is controversial outside its locale and that seems to be the user's rationale for its removal. I consider this as a form of censorship. Ali Fazal (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Why is there a need for two images when one of them shows both sections? Clearly if you reduce their sizes, they'd still take up more space in the article's section. Greatly reduce their sizes and the quality disappears. The Hargeysa_plane_monument2.jpg has better lighting and shows both sections of the same monument, wouldn't that be the solution? 26oo (talk) 08:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

As explained above and clearly visible on the bottom image to the right, the plane and mural are actually from the same monument. The difference is that the plane is the actual centrepiece, and the mural below it is part of the base. Hence, why the monument is known as the MiG monument. The mural also contains a graphic depiction of a drawn male figure with a chopped off arm and leg, which brings it under WP:PROFA (as explained here). By the way, the image caption is synthesis. The link in it doesn't indicate that the mural is "commemorating the death of an estimated 40,000 people"; it doesn't even mention the monument. Please see WP:OI for more on that. Middayexpress (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Middayexpress. I have included the BBC article link from User:26oo that does mention the monument. I used the other source as it stated 40k instead of 50k. We have three articles where the images of the monument can be used viz. Somaliland, History of Somaliland and Hargeisa - I suggest at least one of them ought to have a closeup image. Ali Fazal (talk) 14:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

The BBC link also doesn't specify the purpose of the monument. It only says that its presence there "reminds those here of the bitter battle they fought to break away from the rest of Somalia". The 50,000 figure is mentioned separately. On the other hand, Reuters does explicitly note the monument's purpose [2]: "the memorial was set up to commemorate Somaliland's breakaway attempt in the 1980s, and is a symbol of struggle for the people of this province." At any rate, per WP:BRD, I've removed the pic until a decision is reached. WP:GRATUITOUS stipulates that "when multiple options are equally effective at portraying a concept, the most offensive options should not be used merely to "show off" possibly offensive materials[...] images containing offensive material that is extraneous, unnecessary, irrelevant, or gratuitous are not preferred over non-offensive ones in the name of opposing censorship." There's thus no reason why there should be a closeup of the mural showing the maimed figure when an image of the monument in its entirety is available. There's also no comparable mural on any other regional capital wiki page. The solution is therefore to show the monument itself in its natural visual context, which would automatically focus on its actual centrepiece, the MiG plane. Middayexpress (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't have much say here, but I think the image of the picture that shows the entire monument as one piece is pretty good. It shows the monument in its entirety. Mvblair (talk) 13:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks User:Mvblair. That makes sense. Middayexpress (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure if this discussion is still going on, but I will still drop in my two cents anyways. I don't support the addition of this image onto this page or any other for that matter. This is due to how offensive and controversial it is. AcidSnow (talk) 09:58, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Following the closing comments made by User:TransporterMan on the DR noticeboard on this dispute; it has been deduced that WP:PROFA doesn't apply to this image. Therefore, as I've stated above; we can use the detailed image in at least one of these three articles; Somaliland, History of Somaliland and Hargeisa. Ali Fazal (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the dispute resolution and User:TransporterMan's remarks only pertain to this discussion on the Hargeisa page. Here's also his own personal view on the matter: "If I were to weigh in on the question of replacement I would probably side with replacement with the image of the full monument. There's pretty clear indication that the monument is a major feature of this city and ought to be included for that reason. I do not believe that it's necessary, however, as an illustration of the conflict which is adequately described in the text. For that reason, I would not support the detailed image as the detailed image alone does not illustrate the monument sufficiently as a feature of the city. I could weakly support using a combined image, but frankly I think that gives a certain amount of undue weight to the conflict element and overemphasizes this monument in relation to all the other features of the city". Also per TransporterMan: "what we now have, therefore, is a new dispute: not which-if-any image to use in the article, but whether to replace the current image with a different image. To do that requires a new consensus to be formed (and new discussion before assistance from moderated content dispute resolution can be had, which is another reason for this closure). That can be done through discussion on the talk page or the filing." Per the foregoing, I have opened up a new discussion below on this image, and contacted all of the involved parties. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hargeisa monument

Should this Hargeisa page's 1960s-1980s section feature the full Hargeisa plane monument (shown above) in its natural context, or instead one particular mural on the monument depicting a drawn male figure with a chopped off arm (also shown above)? I support the full monument for the reasons explained above. Middayexpress (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Full appears to be the best image so far. Though, however I would like to see no image but seeing how that not an option I will just stick with that. AcidSnow (talk) 13:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree. As explained earlier, I think it's wiser to use the full "Mig monument". 26oo (talk) 00:19, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree, the pix of the full monument is best.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

before i make my decission i want to know who is against the full mig monument display and why? its very strange that the unionists like 26oo Middayexpress and AcidSnow are supporting the full monument with somaliland flag! . so who is against this idea? explain please. Theyuusuf143 (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

This isn't the place for idle chat. Middayexpress (talk) 20:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

You must employed to spend all your time watching somaliland pages lool. this does not concern you at all. who gave you the special rights to edit and revert all somaliland related pages as you wish, while you are obviously biased unionist? your actions must be reviewed.

This monument is for those who were bombed by the Siad Barre regime, its the defeat of somalia airforce after they killed all those 50,000 peope. this is NOT "breakaway attempt from the rest of Somalia during the1980s" the description you Middayexpress put under the momemt is totally wrong and 100% biased. our people did not attempt to break away from somalia during the 80s but they were struggling to survive. the decission to separate from somalia came in 1991 after the south turned into ZOO. Theyuusuf143 (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)