Talk:Reddy

All Subcastes of Reddies come under OC

All the Reddies come under Forward Caste(OC) and no one in the presnt days is bothered about their Sub castes. Reddies are uniting themselves. Even though there are several subcastes of reddies, every Reddy is marrying other Reddy irrespective of their Subcaste. And a kind information to all who discuss on subcastes of Reddies is to avoid the division among us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaktiswaroopreddy (talk • contribs) 10:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, interesting point; do you have any WP:Reliable sources (media articles, academic works, etc) to back up these assertions? MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

KondaReddys are ST, in Karnataka Reddys are BCs. Are those people considered on par with all other reddys ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maddoc9 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Irish Reddy

I think it should be mentioned somewhere that the name Reddy is also an Irish surname that is completely unrelated Eggilicious (talk) 10:43, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about the varna status of Reddys

To understand this topic, we have to dig into the history, which is both recent past and ancient past. The true understanding of this comes not from the books written by some foreigner who wouldn't even have had time to be overwhelmed by the Grand history which predates their understanding of the beginning of earth(western religions think that the earth was formed in 4000 BC or so). The books written by people like Edgar Thurston and other similar people seems to have been written in haste and not by thorough research, as they had limited time and a lot of topics to cover. So kindly dont ask me to put their writings as references(which are available online in google books).

A better understanding can be achieved if you look at the customs/aacharamulu followed by each of these castes and sub-castes, which is the best reference you can get, since these aacharalu are the unwritten stories we have been following since ancient times, without much change. It is better to put these stories in a chronological order to eliminate confusion as much as possible.

The first mention about any reddy is linked to Ramayana. Everyone knows the story about Lord Rama, the way he won Sita, his exile due to family turmoil, abduction of Sita resulting in a war on Lanka, towards the end Sita's agni pariksha and the Lava kusha episode. That marks the end of Ramayana for most of the people. But thats where the first Reddy story begins. Reddy was previously called Rathi(charioteers), which all those reading this topic would know. And Rama's father's name was DasaRatha(10 Rathas/Chariots). Here goes the first story : There was this Rathi, who evaded taxes(grains) while Rama was in exile. Rama found it out on returning and decided to make them pay heavily. So, he asked them to bring certain quantity of cucurbita (pumpkin) for the Shraddhanjali(death ceremony) of his father, Dasaratha. These people followed his orders and cultivated them. Then, just before the harvest, Hanuman decides to uproot them all(following orders by people above or decides it by himself ?). So, these people agree to replace the entire quantity of pumpkin with Gold(outrageous really, but the nature of true kings). So, they bring out all the gold they have, but the scales were rigged and wouldn't balance out until all their women took out their Taali Bottu to help their men pay off their outstanding debt. Unusual really, because the taali bottu is supposed to be the most important symbol of marriage sanctified by Hinduism. At this point, the riggers understood that these people were totally out of all material wealth and tipped the scales to balance. All the debt cleared, nothing remaining in their lockers, left with a bitter feeling after the whole debacle, they decided to leave their kingdom and travel south to establish their own new kingdom. Since that day, the women of Motati and Pedakanti lineage gave up wearing Taali bottu for good. They dont consider wealth to be greater than their loved ones and a mere Taali Bottu is taken for granted as it is the love in the heart and mind which has no representation with materials. This is a tradition/aacharam followed by the families of these two lineages for the past 7000 years. If you know any Motati Reddy family today, you will notice it that irrelevant to their wealth, they are not really into adorning themselves with gold, or for that matter, any ornaments at all. These people by instinct donot like to adorn themselves. But only during occassions like wedding, etc, their women cover themselves fully with gold. This could be one of the reasons why Motati Reddys are considered to be Reddys of the highest order. This story also gives us a clue that Motati and Pedakanti people had a common ancestor. According to this story, these reddys/Rathis were on par with the family of Rama, as Rama was a Rathi too, son of Dasaratha. If you call these people as Shudras or Sat-Shudras, then so is Lord Rama and Sita. But there is a valid reason as to why the confusion exists today. The story I began is not over yet. I can continue it as a second story or I can stop it here if it is annoying anyone. Every word I typed above is according to the aacharams followed by Motati Reddys of today, also mentioned in the book written by Edgar Thurston. I can give online references, but as I said earlier,I dont really give any credit to the opinion of a white man regarding the grandiosity of our religion and culture. He was just a third party person given the herculean task to bring out all stories of all castes in (South)India in his single life time, which is grossly inadequate. Wedding is a great time to know all the stories of your ancestors. Thats why be a good person and follow all the customs and rituals, only then you will know these stories thoroughly. I really pity those people who cut short their wedding duration just because they are not interested in these stories or they think they are too modern.

The second part of this story is also based on a wedding custom that Motati Reddys follow. I only know a few stories as I have recently developed an interest in them. All those of you who know more about the stories of our traditions/customs/aacharamulu, please contribute. Maddoc9 (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

You comment is completely irrelevant unless you can support it using reliable sources. You may also want to read WP:TLDR. - Sitush (talk) 20:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

References (1) from the book "Castes and Tribes of South India" Volume 1 by Edgar Thurston.

Maddoc9 (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thurston is not really a great source. Is there nothing better out there? - Sitush (talk) 19:38, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I believe Thurston is not a great source too, but these stories are the customs we have followed for millenia and are following even today. I belong to the Motati Reddy lineage, so I know about our customs and legends. If I were to write something untrue and boasting about our clan, then I never would've mentioned about the tax evasion part by our progenitor and the punishment enforced by Lord Rama onto our progenitor. Every clan has their own story which can be learned as we grow old and go through all the customs in a traditional way. I am not sure if these are mentioned in any ancient literature as I am not a person dealing with History or culture, but I can try to find out sometime in the near future when I come across a littérateur in these fields. The legend I have mentioned is just a small tip of the bigger story. But I did not complete it as I do not have any references to support it. Most of these stories go by the word of mouth and there are particular castes of people living who propagate these and keep the legends alive. They are like the ancient book keepers(though there are no books involved). Until someone collects all this data and compiles a valid Book accepted by all, there can be no reference to put forward. But I will search a little more on the internet to see if I can find any. Maddoc9 (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this is a well known "problem" with Wikipedia: there is a lot of knowledge in the world that we cannot capture, because it hasn't first appeared in reliable sources. However, it's really the only way we can proceed fairly. Otherwise, someone else could come on here and say exactly the opposite of what you've just said, also claim to be a member of the same lineage, and we would have no way to tell which story is "true". So, we use the second best tactic, which is to rely on what other experts have already said. Let us know if you do find sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. If the whole concept of God and religion itself is based on on lies, then where can you get any valid scientific proof to support any of these claims. All the religious texts are mostly lies written to glorify Gods and help the Ruling class of people to tame all those below them. I am sure you would apply this to all other such wiki pages too. I have already deleted the stuff that I had posted and will remove this topic soon. I wanted you to know that I acknowledged your concern. I cant go digging into all those religious texts to prove myself now. I dont want to waste my time on something that doesnt feed me. Thanks mate.Maddoc9 (talk) 05:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Citekill

An awful lot of statements in this article have three or more citations associated with them. Is this really necessary? A read of WP:CITEKILL may be useful. - Sitush (talk) 17:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Conclusion

Great!!!. So, Lord Rama was a Reddy.Kumarrao (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

So Lord Rama son of Dash Reddy aka Dasaratha