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ibn taymiyyah dog

wahhabi filth. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 04:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Vietcong nuturlizer what do you mean? Mbcap (talk) 07:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

are you not a follower of wahabism? why did you revert my edit? Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Vietcong nuturlizer firstly please read WP:CIVIL which is one of the five pillars and learn how to interact with your fellow editors. You cannot go around calling people Ibn Taymiyyah dog or Wahhabi filth. I ask you to withdraw those comments. Regarding the revert, it was done because the two references in the infobox said that the Islamic State adheres to a Salafist ideology. Finally regarding your question as to what or whom I follow, that is none of your business. Please do not ask other editors personal questions. Mbcap (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

your still a dog and if you are a wahabi then ur not a muslim. ibn taymiyyah was an idiot kufar. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Vietcong nuturlizer That is interesting, what makes you say that? Are you aware that a dog does not possess the cortical functional capacity to process information and relay it to the motor cortex, to enable it to write intelligible morphemes onto a web based system such as Wikipedia. Please stop with the inappropriate conduct. I have said before that you should not call your own colleague a dog. You are always welcome to come speak to me and I shall be obliged to answer you questions. I am not exactly sure why you think I am a Wahabbi or why you consider them as non-Muslim. Lastly what has made you so critical of Ibn Taymiyyah, has he done something to upset you? Mbcap (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

You know dam well ibn taymiyyah was sent to jail for his views. Mass media support by the puppet state of Saudi Arabia will not decimate the truth about this man. I know you hate to admit it but the terrorist groups all admire this idiotic man and call him "shaykh of islam". If it wasnt for the oil backing the brainwashing would not have occurred. Ibn taymiyyah took advantage of the chaos that endured after the fall of the caliphate at the hands of the mongols. I know for sure you have some sort of association with the Wahhabis seeing that you pounced on my edit on the ISIS article. if your so adamant in writing about Ibn taymiyyah, why dont you write in the article about how ibn taymiyyah's so called fatwa was the basis of burning a man alive by isis Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Vietcong nuturlizer See this is much better. Thank you for the reply. You are correct that terrorist groups admire him, they quote him endlessly. Yes I am aware that he went to jail for his views. He went to jail five or six times for his view in fact. Please read the Ibn Taymiyyah page for more information but keep in mind that the article is not yet complete. You are also correct that the Saudi's follows this man and his ideas but they fail to admit the truth because they Saudi ruling establishment show one face to the west, and another to their people and the scholars who have such a massive hold over their internal policy. There was a Saudi TV presenter who was sacked because he criticised Ibn Taymiyyah. This is unfortunately the sad state of affairs. However what I do not understand is, why would you take out your frustration on me by calling me a "ibn taymiyyah dog" or "wahhabi filth"? I would kindly request that you withdraw those comments. Your edits on the Islamic State article are welcome and it was not my intention to pounce on them. The references said something and the edit said something else so I was obliged to correct it. Regarding my association with whatever party, religion or person, frankly that is not your business, unless I choose to divulge that information. My own experience has shown that people who hate Ibn Taymiyyah are mostly Shia or Sufi's because of the harsh rebuke Ibn Taymiyyah gave to these people, so I do understand why people do not like him.

Regarding the burning, all I know is from a blog in the spectator which mentioned they did it via Qisas which was a reason also echoed by Moazaam Begg. I am not sure what Ibn Taymiyyah has to do with that. Mbcap (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I apologize. I was having a bad day. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 06:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

No problem, we all have those days. Mbcap (talk) 09:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

@User:Vietcong nuturlizer, we do not tolerate such personal attack in wikipedia. Be careful. --Seyyed(t-c) 12:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I dont believe it is a matter of being shia or sufi although it seems that way because those two groups have been attacked by the wahhabis. That logic would therefore persume that all of the past Sunnis were indeed Sufis including the Ottomans and muslims of the Saladin era. The majority of the modern "Sunnis" are ignorant of their religion so they are easy prey for wahhabis that call for the destruction of sunni schools . One can not call himself a Sunni when he does not follow one of the madhabs. Al Azhar has pointed out clearly that wahhabism is satanic. Ibn taymiyyah was exposed by one of his students for believing God has hands and legs like a human. This is why the terrorists all follow this man. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 01:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Vietcong nuturlizer I hear you and what? Mbcap (talk) 02:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

User:Vietcong nuturlizer, do you realize beside terrorist groups "admire, follow and quote" ibn taymiya endlessly, actualy that groups also "admire and quoting endlesly" form Hadith of prophet Muhammad, Al-Bukhari's and Sunni imams works too. then why ibn taimiya have special treatment?. then, if one can not call himself a Sunni when he does not follow one of the madhabs, so what is the madhab of Al-Bukhari? or the madhdhab of Anas ibn Malik? isnt Ibn Taimiya himself is following jurisprudence of Hanbali madhab?. Please stop spreading private opinion, especially misleading one. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 03:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Ibn taymiyyah is known for pushing very dangeorus fatwas. Ibn taymiyyah himself said that one shouldnt follow a madhab blindly. Go and watch the ISIS video of the Jordan pilot, it is there they quote Ibn taymiyyah to justify burning someone alive. You can not simply compare yourself to the likes of "Al bukhari" who spent his entire life learning. If everyone proceeds to compile the hadiths collection on their own and interprets it thier way, eventually the results are fringe terrorist groups such as ISIS and others who follow the way of Ibn taymiyyah's "ignore consensus ways". Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

honestly i'm not really interested to talk about this theme, but you keep on coming with your opinion. i dont know who is ISIS exactly, suddenly they pop up to media in recent years, and i dont have any access to the video about Jordan pilot, i only read the incident from many articles headlines, so i dont know its true or not about the quote. but luckily they aren't quoting from Bukhari's this [1] or Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57. otherwise Imam Bukhari and Imam Ali will face same accusation from you. And i think we should stop this prolonged and unbeneficial argumentation. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 08:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

It is not my opinion it is the opinion of scholars. i have seen you try to censor information on here to boost wahabism. I suggest you stop that and if you dont want to discuss this issue then dont respond to me. You obviously dont know much about the subject to have a discussion. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Why has this turned into a discussion on Wahhabi's? The talk page is for content related discussion so please cease your posts. Mbcap (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

You are the one that reverted my edit and started this. Dont act like your not aware of that. Ibenesis here has been caught red handed by me. He tried to change the wording of a source used for boko haram article. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 04:22, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Freedom in Iran

Salam Alaykum, regarding to your edit here, please read Edward Said's book Covering Islam. The case you mentioned[2] relates to what happened after Iranian presidential election, 2009. I mean, the government oppressed the opposition. However, even at that time the ideas of Marx, Max Weber, Durkheim, Freud, etc where studied freely in the universities. Whether you believe me or not, The German Ideology and The History of Sexuality is taught in the university which is directed by the Shia seminary in Qom. I do not want to say everything is OK. Of course, there are some restrictions, particularly when somebody wants to speak about some Islamic issues such as Jinn, the westernized scholars can not tolerate it. I hope you travel to Iran and check the issues by yourself.--Seyyed(t-c) 12:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Seyyedوعليكم السلام - All those things being taught are well and good but the crackdown and silencing of academics and the press are undeniable. I gave an example of Fars news agency which stated they had built a time machine, among other things. If a source is willing to do that, then how can you trust it? The sources originating from the press, educational institutions are generally unreliable. You only need to search the number of students and teachers that have faced problems. However, I should make clear that I am not calling for a blanket ban on Iranian sources, because that would be demonstrably unsatisfactory. If a an Iranian source is verifiable reliable then no one can stop that source from being used. Mbcap (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

How can you conclude "educational institutions are generally unreliable"!!! The problems relate to their political activities not their intellectual ones. For example, if Mostafa Malekian had been in country such as Saudi Arabia or even Egypt, his philosophical ideas would have never been tolerated. You can compare him with what has done against Nasr Abu Zayd. While you said "However, I should make clear that I am not calling for a blanket ban on Iranian sources, because that would be demonstrably unsatisfactory. If a an Iranian source is verifiable reliable then no one can stop that source from being used.", the proposal was different. Please check the discussion again. As Feder clarified: " I consider practically all media which are subject to Iranian media laws unreliable. The same goes for media under North Korean law, Belarusian law, Syrian law etc.--Anders Feder "--Seyyed(t-c) 03:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Seyyed I explained in my previous post why I consider them to be unreliable. However a source could be considered reliable if it is cited by other reliable sources. If such is the case, then we can use the source. Mbcap (talk) 03:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Please read the Clarification of the claim. As Andres Feders said above he means "practically all media which are subject to Iranian media laws unreliable" which means an Iranian magazine about life style or fauna is unreliable because it can not criticize the leader!!! You also has a general claim "The sources originating from the press, educational institutions are generally unreliable." As I understand this lead to ban all of the Iranian academic journal in every field such as medicine, philosophy or physics.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Seyyed I am not sure about magazines about Fauna but sources of news from Iran are unreliable. Educational institutions produce unreliable sources of information and this is evident in Iran's suppression of Academic freedom. However any academic journal that is cited by other reliable sources and which is vetted by the academic community with a suitable impact factor, is reliable. If such sources exist for Iran then no one can stop it from being used. As to your comparison of Egypt and Saudi with Iran, I would say that Iran is equally as bad if not worse when it comes to the tolerance of ideas. Mbcap (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree about such generalization. Is this hypothesis falsifiable? --Seyyed(t-c) 17:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Seyyed Where are you going with this? Does epistemology only encompass inductive reasoning? There is big diference between the beauty of falsifiability and the ululating impropriety which is practised by Iranian news sources. Mbcap (talk) 17:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I know there is a lot of problem in Iran, however I can not accept such generalization. Logically, we can not make general conclusion based on Inductive reasoning. this is an obvious Fallacy. Let me make an analogy which may help me to explain the issue. There are a lot of terrorist attacks which are made by Muslims. Can we conclude that every Muslim is a potential terrorist or every terrorist is Muslim. Or even Islam leads to terrorism? Your generalization is logically wrong as all of these ones.--Seyyed(t-c) 19:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Seyyed firstly logic and inductive reasoning are two separate fields of Epistemology. It is not entirely clear how you have synthesised the two together. Yes you are right, there are a lot of problems in Iran and your comment above which suggested Iran was more tolerant than Saudi and Egypt was laughable to say the least. All three spew out unreliable news sources. Regarding your analogy, it is completely devoid of reality. It does not in any way explain how it applies to our discussion regarding the unreliable news sources in Iran. Let me remind you about the time travelling machine story or that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was trained by Mossad or that the US is run by aliens. Give me one reliable Iranian news source. You wont be able to because the idea of a free press has not been invented yet in Iran. Regards Mbcap (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank for your answer. We have different ideas and even different approach. However, I seldom use Iranian media so this issue does not make any problem. Wa Salam--Seyyed(t-c) 09:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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I reported this user's personal attacks to the admins. I mentioned your name as another case of his attack. Therefor, you can refer to WP:ANB#Personal attack by User:Vietcong nuturlizer and participate in the discussion.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:48, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Mbcap. You recently tried to mark a post by someone else as being done by them, which is good as it avoids confusion. Template:Unsigned2 can do that for you, easily if you copy the information from the history. Hope this helps and keep up the good work editing and discussing. Banak (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks I made a total mess of it and ended up undoing it. Will keep the template in mind next time it comes up. Mbcap (talk) 20:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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On Depictions of Muhammad I added references to Hadith books like this and Jeppiz reverted it saying that it doesn't meet WP:RS. Please help A.A.Wasif | Talk 11:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

A.A.Wasif have you tried speaking to the editor who reverted it. He may have a good reason for doing so. Generally speaking, we do not use primary sources such as Sahih al-Bukhari. You would need a secondary source like Fath al-Bari or a tertiary souce, from which to use information from. I would recommend you have a read of WP:PRIMARY. As to the revert, it looks like it is about the prohibition of depictions of the Prophet Muhammad which I am sure you will be able to find in secondary or tertiary souces, if you search google books or scholar. Let me know if you need anything else. Regards. Mbcap (talk) 22:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

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here you have presented a political scientist in regard to "expert opinions" in connection to faithfulness to religion and have presented people like the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia in the context of laymen. I very honestly begin to despair. GregKaye 14:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Greg I am not aware of a publication or a news story authored by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia. Reliable sources do say that most Muslims reject the group, including the Muslim Scholars. These are news stories which are reported by journalists. I was speaking about the expert analysis on the group, Graeme Wood being one of those who has offered such. Mbcap (talk) 19:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)Mbcap (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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