Talk:Domestic violence and pregnancy

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I wanted to bring in more information on Domestic Violence and Pregnancy to Wikipedia because the significant correlation between pregnancy and IPV is underrepresented on the current Wiki pages. My contribution covers both pregnancy as a form of domestic violence and the changes of domestic violence caused by pregnancy. Domestic violence may increase or start during pregnancy and the pattern of violence often changes. Domestic violence can also cease during pregnancy because of the abuser’s fear of harming his own child. Pregnancy-related violence is a serious public health issue and there are a plethora of scholarly articles and resources on the interrelationship between pregnancy and domestic violence. There is a growing body of research on this topic and it would be important to have a separate article to highlight the importance of this issue. Cshaase (talk) 19:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks good so far, especially the extensive sourcing! Kaldari (talk) 02:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Probably should include the chief reasons for abuse starting during pregnancy: financial, paternity, and prolonged sexual frustration by men. Several recent genetic studies confirm that 30-60% of children in Westernized countries do not belong to the domestic partner of that time. Now add in that violent men tend to be paranoid types. So quite often pregnant women are not being very wise in sticking around. I know I saw at least one major study in newspapers which addressed the incredible frequency with which women assumed their current "official" mate would never suspect or would not be traumatized by learning that the child was not his.

Most importantly what about including studies relating broken relationships to abuse, especially child by another man issue? Not that men have a right to physically abuse but sometimes women share in creating context - an unwise relationship sustained too long. Sometimes women essentially destroy/lose interest in relationships yet unwisely continue to try to milk support from that broken relationship. So if some women are doing their own non-physical relationship abuse... are they not part of the problem and staying close encouraging the reaction to be physical or verbal? (Although taking all the joint account money to run is not smart if you keep using the credit cards. He is going to come after you.)

Not much needs be said about sexual frustration side other than what percentage of cases it seems to have been significant contributor. Control of that is pretty much all on the men considering the availability of porn though they maybe hounded about porn use by jealous pregnant mates. Financial is a joint failure to communicate future dreams and priorities before a child is conceived. But there should be economical data to clarify the breaking points in plots of income or debt versus family size. Frequency predictions might actually be helpful to some individuals, counselors and prevention agencies.

Plus this article ignores the roles of women in actually making the first serious physical attack (which ?unfortunately? frequently fails to end the fight). Police and courts rarely record statistics about when pregnant women start the attacks unless a gun is involved. Sort of like society likes to pretend pregnant women are responsible and never get drunk. I have seen pregnant women try to commit bodily harm in public places many times particularly dance clubs. All the police care about is that the man hit the woman or restrained her with armlock. Not sure if women are counting on pregnant status to protect them from consequences but legally it usually does unless they put the man into intensive care or coffin before he is even able to raise that fist. But I am pretty sure I have seen mention in news of a few reputable studies starting to explore this side of the issue. So there is question that perhaps society has traditionally ignored both partners in domestic violence and that now its focusing solely on male due to superior muscles on average.

Finally there is the unaddressed issue of women attacking pregnant women. Also widely underreported unless death occurs. You can thank Jerry Springer Show for bringing such things to public recorded video (but even there only about 30% went to court). Jealous women almost always tend to aim to cause abortions or to actually kill or pummel to bloody unconsciousness. Stabbings are not that uncommon. Lack of reporting probably has to do with all parties unwillingness to publicly document some very personal dirty laundry and inability to hold mate. Again I suspect studies exist but are intentionally omitted to serve a popular one-sided political activism viewpoint.

Not against narrow focus articles in general. Just the ones that are designed to imply that they cover all aspects of a problem. That is unfettered political activism which should be avoided no matter how popular...unless we want to start allowing such under a banner that openly admits that the issue is so popular that authorities with additional inputs or counter theories have been pushed out of public respectability completely. PS any honest academic should admit that mass popularity (either public or within the field) can skew the definition of respectable authority on a given topic. You just won't be caught admitting it might happen in your specialty.

70.114.133.167 (talk) 06:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Article lead

The lead feels a bit disjointed. Might want to reorganize it a bit so that it doesn't feel like each sentence is jumping to a new topic. I would either split the lead into separate paragraphs or edit it down to remove anything that can't be well-integrated into a logical flow. Kaldari (talk) 02:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I reworked it, is this version better? Cshaase (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Definitely a lot more readable. Kaldari (talk) 00:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)