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Kakashi Gaiden: Episodes 191 - 193

Can anyone confirm this?

All I can say is this: the title of Episode 191 has been revealed and it doesn't sound like Kakashi Gaiden. SpionKop 03:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Doubt it. Plus Im betting that Kakashi Gaiden will be an Hour Long episode for a few reasons. We havent had one since New years and we are due for one comming up. Kakashi Gaiden isnt that long of an arc and it will probably span a whole 2 episodes.

I guess its not, We have just past that episode --Guille2015 03:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

From what i heard, kakashi gaiden satrts on november.-- NaruSasuSaku 10:49, 28 July 2006

I've checked out other Naruto forum sites. There are three theories that surfaced:

• 2nd part of Naruto is said to start 2007, beginning with Kakashi gaiden.
• Kakashi Gaiden may start with Episode 200 or 201, leading to Naruto 2.
• This did not came from the fansites and I'm not sure which filler episode was that, but the editor of the fansub who put in the English subtitles flashed after the opening song, that there will be 60 more filler episodes. I think it was on one of the Bikochuu bug episodes.

Like I said, these are just theories... speculation may be the more appropriate term. --Francis820 06:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Sai

As of chapter 310, it is quite obvious that Sai is not an enemy. He should be removed from the "Enemies" section of the menu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.234.217.131 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this. I think he has been able to sufficiently prove that he is loyal to Konoha right now, after the he was given the "Uzumaki Naruto lecture/battle to change one's mind." --GhostStalker 04:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think anything has ever been obvious on Naruto, especially when your referring to those on again off again good guys like Sai or Kabuto I think for characters like that we should just have a neutral section until we're sure that they are on the side of the good guys or on the side of the bad guys. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mjprotege (talk • contribs) 16:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Censorship reaction

In the section: "Censorship reaction", the following phrase: " The original curse seal resembled a swastika, while the edited version was an "X". " can be misunderstood because it assumes that the Original Japanese version of the Anime has the Swastika. The Manga Has the swastika simble, but the Anime removed this even in Japan for fear of negative critical response because of the erroneous association of the simble with the nazi swastika. Also, there needs some reference too. --Guille2015 04:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The paragraph about the censorship on the UK channel Jetix is a little wrong, as Sexy Jutsu does appear in the show on this channel, but edited. It appeared in the episode shown on Sunday 23rd July.

The link to the One Piece article section re: censorship is no longer valid. Suggest either removing the link or finding another example of a censored Anime in the U.S. --SFTheWanderer 16:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI, the symbol that resembles a swastika is an ancient symbol of Buddha, representing his footsteps.

--perfectblue 11:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The text says that the Sexy Jutsu and Harem Jutsu were removed form the UK version. They might have been cropped or airbrushed at bit, but these scenes were still in some episodes.

--perfectblue 11:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The old Naruto and Talk:Naruto pages?

Naruto used to be a disambig page, and there was a discussion page associated with it. Are the contents of these pages archived anywhere? The current disambig page was created relatively recently (11 April 2006). IIRC in the discussion, there was a vote then as to whether "Naruto (manga)" should have been moved to "Naruto", which was overwhelmingly opposed by vote count. —Tokek 13:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholism

"Many elements that were expected to be edited out of the broadcast version were left intact, including references to alcoholism....."

I as recall from the original, there was no alcohol where the series is now for the US (in the 30s). 04:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC) Alexzero77

The Sake label on Tazuna's bottle was edited, along with the redness on his face, but he was still drinking Sake. They didn't change the drink itself.

The Wretched

Oh yeah, lol, perhaps you should add that there. 20:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC) Alexzero77

whats kish's comments on filler?

everyone keeps on talking and claiming the fillers have nothing to do with naruto 2, and i just wanna know kishimoto's view on the fillers because isn't he the writer??

From what I've seen, such comments are merely unhappy fans who don't like the anime filler. Sadly, their opinions have wormed their way into every single anime-based detail. With the way this series is being run, it's a safe asumption that what happens in the filler arcs will be respected by the manga since they're minor details at best (for example, who cares if Mizuki came back, since he's a minor character). – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 14:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally an author has the final say, or atleast some say in their work. So most likely the filler is approved for use and as the article states, it would be a bad thing for the anime series to go past the story that the manga has established. But the filler is often trite, with even more forced bursts of action. Their will be very minor stories that have nothing to do with anything and then a battle scene, which is usually quickly over before it began. Another problem with the filler is that it was slated to end weeks ago(actually I believe its been months now), but has continued. Even a new techinique for them to explore (and exploit) would be nice, but instead we get stories that don't give any history or depth to the characters involved and don't progress the story at all. If these filler episodes had been better spaced. A block of filler then the original story then more filler, we wouldn't have the current problems which we have now. That problem being the show getting stale effectively making it jump the shark. Zanduar 21:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Translator

This has nothing to do with anything specifically involving Naruto, but what does Wikipedia use to translate Japanese Text into English characters. I've been looking for a translator, but it only translates English Text into Japanese Characters, and vise versa. I'm looking for one that'll translate into Japanese, but with English characters. Anyone?

The Wretched

[1] is a preety nice one (though sometimes inaccurate); but i don't think wikipedia has tools for translation. It's Probably user's going back and forth. --Bud0011 22:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I use Jim Breen's WWWJDIC. --Pentasyllabic 00:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Assessment

I have changed the article's assessment to B-class: ilacks substantial criticism, and doesn't seemingly discuss the manga in detail, thus failing the "fairly complete" as requirement of the assessment scheme. There is a discussion about it on the Anime and Manga Wikiproject, please also see nominations for A-class.--Monocrat 14:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Much had been discussed on how to improve the Naruto article, and one of the major criticisms was that the main page was too long. Therfore, substantial portions regarding plot, characters, arc stories, chapter lists, ... have been moved to separate pages. With 300+ manga chapters published, adding the necessary detrail about the manga story could take up considerably more room. I am not familiar with class standards, so my question to you is: do you think it is better to have an incredibly long plot section in the main page, and then have the main page critisized for being too long, or would you rather have a small plot summary with a link to relevant pages? --Byakuren 03:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

A-class would branch out to other related articles. Sorry to say, but aside from the main article (which has its faults), a lot of the sub-articles are really poorly formatted. Case in point: all the move lists. That double-indenting scheme is simply strange. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Three answers:

1. 1. It's very hard to include "substantial criticism" of a creative work and still satisfy WP:NOR. If there's a body of verifiable Naruto criticism out there, I suppose that someone could start a Naruto criticism sub-page. (Also, I don't see "substantial critism" as a necessary element as I read the assessment criteria.
   2. With that said, I don't think anyone but the assessment committee should be giving out A-ratings. Can you submit the page for assessment committee review.
   3. With that said, I think the Naruto page deserves S-class, not A-class.  ;)

TheronJ 20:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Many"

Just letting everyone know that I've toned down the usage of "many" in the Censorship section to just one use, and either deleted the others, or replaced with things such as "a number of" and things like that since the sub-page listed that as one of the issues. Hope it's right.

The Wretched

You also seem to want to tone down the correct "Chūnin" for the wrong "Cuunin". Please stop it. Danny Lilithborne 04:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. My mistake. See, I dunno how to put that line above the u.

The Wretched

You should at least know to use an h. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Did I forget the h? Another mistake by me. My bad.

The Wretched

Characters - Naruto/Sakura Romance Spoilers

Removed the following:

Naruto's romantic interest lies in Haruno Sakura. In the first part of the series, Sakura rejected Naruto frequently, or scolded him whenever he did something that did not please her. While Naruto has a crush on Sakura, Sakura (as with most other girls of the academy) is deeply infatuated with Uchiha Sasuke. She later shows a change in attitude towards Sasuke, and recognizes him as a good friend and a strong comrade as her love matures. However, Sakura's feelings for Naruto slowly begin to change for the better, and Sakura becomes gentler and kinder with Naruto. Recent manga chapters show that Sakura seems to be developing stronger feelings toward Naruto as well, and she regards him as a trusted friend. Hyūga Hinata of Kurenai's Team 8 has been comically smitten with Naruto since the start of the series; always blushing or fainting in his presence and fainting once again when she sees him after a two-and-a-half year absence. Naruto, however, is completely oblivious to her obvious affection.

I removed the above paragraph due to the spoilers. An FA-level article should avoid having unmarked spoilers. A friend of mine is not following the manga and stated that he felt the above revealed too much information about the series. Since this is the main article for Naruto we should try to avoid having spoiler information wherever possible.

It might be nice to include a note or two about the Naruto/Sakura romance since it is included from the very beginning of the series, but including post-timeskip information without tags is a little much. Trim and rephrase? - Meersan 05:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I could agree with that. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not move the End Spoiler in the end of Plot Overview to the end of Characters?

The Wretched

Because they're sectioned separately. There are two separate tags. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

That's why it says "Article or section". But, if it really can't be done, then leave the one in Plot Summary, and make one for Characters.

The Wretched

Actually, there's already one there. So...what's up?

The Wretched

You should have just said there were no spoilers. The tags are gone. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

what??

what happened to the list of naruto story arcs and episodes??

Moved. Check the navigation box at the bottom. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Kish and narto anime

isn't it the kish's descision? what are his view on the filler episodes? Masashi Kishimoto DESCISION! WRITERS DESCISION ! CREATOR OF NARUTO AND MANGA DESCISION!

i just want to know the creator of naruto's view on the filler episodes instead of his fans.

Moving articles

Since this is a multiple page problem, I'm just issuing a blanket statement here. Please do not move pages by simply copy/pasting the content into the name you want to use. I just went through the Clash of Ninja articles restoring the original pages. If you can't move a page to the correct name, ask an administrator to help. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Ages

I noticed that the ages of most characters are listed according to the first data book. In most cases however, the character is a year older according to the second data book (dead characters seem to be the only exceptions). Because of this, the "add 3 to part I age to determine part II age" process could be giving the wrong information. So, should I go through the character pages and fix these ages to reflect the second data book, or should I just leave it alone? --Snapper2 23:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Second will be considered more factually accurate than the first. Better yet, stick with the Part II values since they're the most recent. This Part I/II switching gets confusing. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Should I put "X in Part II" since all other information (height and weight in particular) is according to part I? --Snapper2 23:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Probably. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 14:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Since Geg reverted most of the pages, maybe I should just change the part I ages to reflect the second data book? Part II ages could be fixed whenever an actual source is released. --Snapper2 22:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

He's fixing it. I pointed him here. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The pre time-skip ages of all the characters are known from the data books. However, in the character pages, the post time-skip ages are listed. I think this presents a problem, in that the time-skip is not a round number of years, but "approximately" two and a half years from the end of Naruto: Part I. This means that the age number might change by just 2 years for some charaters post-timeskip, and by 3 years for others, depending on their birtdate and the date at which Naruto I ends. (Unless someone can cite a source on the post time-skip ages, in which case I'll gladly stand corrected.)

Why not list the canonical age according to either data book, rather than the dubiously calculated post time-skip age? I suggest we revert to pre time-skip age, or at the very least, list both figures. --Byakuren 01:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

An anonymous user has gone around reverting the ages. So, I'm gonna go ahead and do this: Since both two different ages are listed for part one, that's what I'll do. For example, Naruto will be "12-13 in Part I" and "15 in Part II". The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Question: At what point in the manga is Akamaru's age mentioned? The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I could've sworn they showed Kiba's and Akamaru's backstory during the Sasuke Retrieval arc, and from the age at which Kiba got Akamaru, comeone might've calculated Akamaru's age. BUT I can't seem to find it in the manga, so it might be they just showed it on the anime... Can anyone confirm? --Byakuren 19:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

B-Class

So...what's up? I thought it deserved at least GA-Class. Unless it's just rated this 'cause of the Anime Wikiproject, which I imagine is going through the anime articles and figuring them out and will restore a better rating when everything gets better... The Wretched 01:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Absolutly not there are so many fan speculation. This article barely deservs a B rank at this moment. Until the manga is done we cant make an accurate article that deservs an A Koopo 14:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

In addition to that, an individual go only assess an article as B or lower. To get a GA status, the article must undergo a perry review (same as FA status, A-class just needs a quick concensus on the talk page). --Miss Ethereal 15:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Shinigami (Bleach) made GA status recently without the manga being finished yet, so it's not necessarily a requirement. You just need to make sure all your data is verified and your vandalism, POV, and speculation are reverted. --tjstrf 21:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Part 2 anime starts to surface

Ok, now finally we starts to see some accual evidence the fillers are ending. About a weak ago the title for episode 197 was posted on animenewsnetwork: "It's Kakashi-sensei's birthday!" (カカシ先生の誕生日だってばよ！, Kakashi-sensei no tanjōbi dattebayo!)

In the Gaiden if you remember it was Kakashi's birthday. However the episode title information have been wrong before so none really believed it was accually true.

Now resently the trailer was released for Naruto movie nr 3:

• http://naruto.com/j/

In the trailer you can see the following:

• http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/1272/ending1dr.jpg
• [white text]
• Series biggest scale gift in history,
• [red text]
• final chapter of part 1.

The movie will hit the theaters sometime in August, about the time when episode 197 airs Koopo 14:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

That episode title is fake. -The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Why do you say the episode title is a fake? It is posted on ANN... -- Byakuren 00:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

ANN is not a reliable source. This is the only reliable source for episode titles: http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/210/subtitle. Besides, that Kakashi's birthday title was also "released" with a title for episode 196, which has since been proven to be fake. -The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, fair enough. BTW, the gifts in Kakashi Gaiden are because Kakashi is turning jōnin, not because it's his B-day... just in case!!! -- Byakuren 01:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi isn't a sensei yet when he become jounin, so the name "It's Kakashi-sensei birthday" implies it happened during his time with Naruto.

It could also begin some sort of "remembering" from Kakashi. Like everyone congratulates him (Naruto and co)and at the end (or in some point) he begins to think of the past, thus giving path to the Gaiden. Just my two-cents.

Assuming that may be true, I guess it will just mark the end of Part 1 of the anime and then we'll have to watch reruns of the whole series before part 2 surfaces. I'm guessing that the creators of the anime would just let the manga finish at least up to the point where (hopefully) Naruto and his team manages to rescue Sasuke before Orochimaru takes over him... and if the anime catches up to the manga again, we can perhaps sit back, relax and enjoy some filler episodes. I mean, after all the drama, it would be a nice change of pace. --Beef noodles 18:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The name for 197 is now 木の葉の11人全員集合 --> "The Konoha 11 All Assemble" --Guille2015 04:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Small Change

In the section about the uncut box set, the dub is actually recorded unedited and then cut later, not the other way around.--75.7.149.4 21:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Info from Dattebayo article

The Dattebayo article is likely going to be deleted, so here is the info from that article:

From the Japanese plain copula 「だ」 ("da"), which translates as all non-past forms of the verb "to be" except location phrases such as "there is" (which would be better translated as 「いる」 "iru" for animate objects and 「ある」 "aru" for inanimate) and 「〜ってばよ」 ("-ttebayo"), a colloquial verb ending that makes the speaker sound uncultured, brusque, and trying to seem tougher than they really are.

"Dattebayo" is most associated with Naruto from the anime/manga of the same name. In the English translation of the anime (and in the video games), "dattebayo" is rendered as "believe it!" despite not having any semantic meaning.

According to the fansub group "Dattebayo"'s website (4th answer on their FAQ) the word means nothing and is used at the end of a sentence by Naruto (main character of the anime of the same name).

Included it in this article as you will. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

If anything, It goes in the Uzumaki Naruto article, not here. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, include it there as you will. (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 07:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Done, for whatever usefullness it may hold. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Er so why was the trivia I added removed? There has been no reason given and I can't fathom why.

Because it was either speculative nonsense (Naruto's father) or appalingly obvious (biju). – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Tasks for improving the article

• Add references (Artbooks, Guides, Manga chapters, Jump etc.)
• Clean up Allover

- Malomeat 19:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers Tags Are Wrong

The spoilers tags do not come in early enough. I don't want to spoil the series for myself any more than I just have done, so I won't help. You cannot identify story arc's by name if the name is going to ruin it for the reader. Please be hot on this; it's very easy to ruin it for the reader.  ;) --CalPaterson 00:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you're overreacting about this. Two little words barely spoil the plot. Sasuke Retrieval: retrieve him from what? Rescue Gaara: fairly self-explanitory, but from what? And so on, and so forth. There's no spoiler material at any point before the first spoiler warning, aside from small scenes noted in the editing section. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Nevermind what I said. --CalPaterson 15:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

cussing

iin the north amercan version they only use the words sucks and pervert they edited out cuss words including hell at least in the north american version not sure about the canadian version —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.154.247 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Translation

In the English section, should we talk about the translation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryu Ematsu (talk • contribs) 05:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

English Episodes

Shouldn't there be some indication of where the current english episodes are? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.229.231.215 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested Character Page Move Notification

All single character Naruto character pages have had formal move requests made. As pointed out in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga#Naruto_character_article_titles, the current names for articles about Naruto characters are inconsistent with the names used for other anime characters (Naruto characters use Japanese order for names, while most other anime characters have their name in Western order), as well not following the naming guidelines in WP:MOS-JA.

DO NOT COMMENT HERE. Please participate in the centralized discussion at Talk:Uzumaki Naruto --Kunzite 02:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested change

The TV series is going to be broadcasted from autumn this year on RTL2 in Germany. I am a really bad editor of wiki sites so could someone do that? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.55.251.177 (talk • contribs) --Al1976 11:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Al1976 11:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)