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Books and Bytes - Issue 14

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Books & Bytes
Issue 14, October-November 2015
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The Interior, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CopyProof paper

Hello. You deleted CopyProof paper, a page I had just created. Apparently, you felt that it was an advert and repeated content in Security paper. I beg to differ. I am researching (photo)copy protection and identifying technologies and suppliers of photocopy resistant paper. Some of these suppliers DO have their own Wikipedia pages, while some (like CopyProof) do not. I also was frustrated because in several Wikipedia pages, photocopy protection has become entangled with articles on digital rights management (DRM). While both deal with copy protection, they are otherwise entirely unrelated, certainly in a technical perspective. Since CopyProof paper is based on various patents, I feel it is worthy of a Wiki page, certainly since some of its competitors already do.I personally feel that the security paper page needs work. If some security paper suppliers have pages, then it would seem rational that others do too ... or subsume all under Security paper. Enquire (talk) 08:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Enquire: Upon deletion, the "article" consisted of essentially a single sentence stating that CopyProof paper cannot be copied, and a link to the website. I wouldn't have any objection to redirecting the article to security paper, but that's duplicative of the content there (A10) and essentially just a sales link (G11). If you think other pages are erroneous or poorly written, please feel free to help fix those, but that wouldn't indicate a need for articles on non-notable subjects.

We actually don't have an article on one thing because a similar one exists. Rather, we have an article on something if and only if sufficient reliable secondary sources with no interest in the subject have covered the particular subject (CopyProof paper, not security paper in general) to write a reliable, verifiable, neutral article. Patents, similarly, have nothing at all to do with it. If some types of security paper have sufficient sources to write articles about them and some do not, some will have articles and some will not. Such is true for most types of businesses or products, really. Some in an area pass the notability standards and have articles, many do not pass and correspondingly have no article. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:18, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, as an additional note: Speedy deletion only relates to the article in its current form. If you actually can find good sources and write an article on the subject, there's nothing wrong with you taking another shot at it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 09 December 2015

Edit Quest!

Edit Quest!
Titusfox has requested that you join them for an afternoon of questing, slaying and looting at Edit Quest, the Wikipedia Based RPG! I Hope to see you there! TF { Contribs } { Edit Quest! } 16:13, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jehovah's Witnesses

Dear Wiki:


This article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses is Edited by Wiki writer BlackCab who is an ex Jehovah's Witness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3ABlackCab It also has many references by James Penton also an ex Jehovah's Witness. Noted Historian Detlef Garbe in his book 'Between Resistance and Martyrdom' said of James Penton "His work has not been taken into consideration... His statements, source selection, and interpretation reflect a deep-seated aversion against this religious association, of which he had once been a member." Thus it's accuracy is called into question." This seems the case with all Wiki articles on Jehovah's Witnesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_in_Nazi_Germany They reflect a deep seated aversion against this religious association of which Blackcab and Penton had once been a member. Similarly, you cannot make any edits in this article without BlackCab changing or stopping them. This article like all articles on Jehovah's Witnesses should have been written by a writer who has had absolutely no affiliation past or present with Jehovah's witnesses and thus no bias. It calls into question the accuracy of all other information found in Wiki. Please live up the honesty of Wiki and have someone completely neutral and unbias rewrite all of these articles on Jehovah's Witnesses.


Bruce — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruce the Builder (talk • contribs) 02:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruce the Builder: If you believe that the article has issues with neutrality, you are welcome to discuss those concerns on the article talk page. You are not permitted to write an editorial on the article page itself. Please note that you will be expected to discuss content, not the identity of any contributor. You will need to specify what in specific you believe is not neutral, why, what change you would propose to make, and what reliable sources would back such a change. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See my response regarding this editor here. BlackCab (TALK) 03:43, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackCab: If you suspect sock puppetry, that's handled here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:56, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 16 December 2015

Rockstar Marketing Wikipage deleted

Hello Seraphimblade, 

      Our page was deleted due to it being advertorial.  This was not my in intent at all and is my fault.  I had never written anything for Wikipedia and thought I was writing it neutral and not making it sound like an ad, I must of not of and for this I am truly sorry.  Can I re-write the article and resubmit it.  I wasn't finished, I had about 10 more references that I was putting up. If allowed to re-write it and resubmit, I absolutely want to adhere to all Wikipedia guidelines.  I am a coder like you, guess I should be a better writer, haha, Thank you for the consideration Seraphimblade.

Scottdaddy2222 (talk) 04:01, 20 December 2015 (UTC)Bryan[reply]

@Scottdaddy2222: I took a look at the deleted article. The "references" cited seem to just be reprinted press releases. To support an article on a subject, that subject needs to have substantial reliable source material, published in reputable sources, that was not written by someone affiliated with or having an interest in promoting the subject. If such reference material doesn't exist, I'm afraid we couldn't accept an article at all.
I am not certain how you thought that "...offices located in Beautiful Destin, Florida,..." (we don't use fluff like "beautiful", you'd just state the location), "...Nation’s leading Advanced Social Media and Search Engine Optimization strategy companies." (we'd need very strong and reliable referencing backing that something is a "leading" anything before saying something like that, and for some reason every Word in the Sentence is Capitalized), and "A few of the people we have worked with..." (we generally discourage people or organizations from writing about themselves, as it's almost impossible to maintain neutrality when doing so, but even aside that we'd not use "we" in an article). You're welcome to try again, but you really need to stay away from that kind of marketing language and stick to only what can be supported by material in neutral, disinterested sources. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I came across this just now, would it be possible to move it to the draft space so that it can be worked on some. There are fresh citations and scholarly writing being added. 2602:30A:2CF0:90:6036:F48C:F92E:2349 (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion Of Chef Tony Khan.

My page Chef Tony Khan was deleted as you say it had advertising in it. I request you to let me try again to remove any unwanted advertorial elements. It clearly is not my intention. I just want there to be a record of Chef Tony Khan's actual achievements and the things he has done as a culinary chef to help others as well. I will provide references to each and every thing newspapers, books and verified links.I have numerous citations i can provide. he has appeared in many cooking shows on national tv in bangladesh and i will cite them properly. please help and as i am new, i had not used the user:new page option to mold the article. I wasnt finished citing or even writing it. Please tell me what i should do now. I can also use any advice you have. Please respond. Islammanwarul (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Islammanwarul: If you can use reputable sources that aren't affiliated with the subject, that would be very helpful. Also, the article was written in an advertising/CV style, and essentially read like a CV. It also insisted on using "Chef" multiple places throughout, including in the title. We don't use stuff like that. The page would be named "Tony Khan" and that would be used on first reference to him, future references would just be "Khan". Speedy deletion isn't necessarily a bar to recreation and you may take another go at it, but please do make sure to stick to reputable source material and not just write it as a CV/"list of accomplishments". You might consider a userspace draft or using draft space so that you can get some feedback prior to taking the page "live". Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

permission to recreate benistorm

I feel that the deletion of benistorm was unfair, as it was created 4 minutes before you deleted it. May I try to continue the page or not?

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