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The Signpost: 09 December 2015

Edit Quest!

Edit Quest!
Titusfox has requested that you join them for an afternoon of questing, slaying and looting at Edit Quest, the Wikipedia Based RPG! I Hope to see you there! TF { Contribs } { Edit Quest! } 16:13, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jehovah's Witnesses

Dear Wiki:


This article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses is Edited by Wiki writer BlackCab who is an ex Jehovah's Witness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3ABlackCab It also has many references by James Penton also an ex Jehovah's Witness. Noted Historian Detlef Garbe in his book 'Between Resistance and Martyrdom' said of James Penton "His work has not been taken into consideration... His statements, source selection, and interpretation reflect a deep-seated aversion against this religious association, of which he had once been a member." Thus it's accuracy is called into question." This seems the case with all Wiki articles on Jehovah's Witnesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_in_Nazi_Germany They reflect a deep seated aversion against this religious association of which Blackcab and Penton had once been a member. Similarly, you cannot make any edits in this article without BlackCab changing or stopping them. This article like all articles on Jehovah's Witnesses should have been written by a writer who has had absolutely no affiliation past or present with Jehovah's witnesses and thus no bias. It calls into question the accuracy of all other information found in Wiki. Please live up the honesty of Wiki and have someone completely neutral and unbias rewrite all of these articles on Jehovah's Witnesses.


Bruce — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruce the Builder (talk • contribs) 02:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruce the Builder: If you believe that the article has issues with neutrality, you are welcome to discuss those concerns on the article talk page. You are not permitted to write an editorial on the article page itself. Please note that you will be expected to discuss content, not the identity of any contributor. You will need to specify what in specific you believe is not neutral, why, what change you would propose to make, and what reliable sources would back such a change. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See my response regarding this editor here. BlackCab (TALK) 03:43, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackCab: If you suspect sock puppetry, that's handled here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:56, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 16 December 2015

Rockstar Marketing Wikipage deleted

Hello Seraphimblade, 

      Our page was deleted due to it being advertorial.  This was not my in intent at all and is my fault.  I had never written anything for Wikipedia and thought I was writing it neutral and not making it sound like an ad, I must of not of and for this I am truly sorry.  Can I re-write the article and resubmit it.  I wasn't finished, I had about 10 more references that I was putting up. If allowed to re-write it and resubmit, I absolutely want to adhere to all Wikipedia guidelines.  I am a coder like you, guess I should be a better writer, haha, Thank you for the consideration Seraphimblade.

Scottdaddy2222 (talk) 04:01, 20 December 2015 (UTC)Bryan[reply]

@Scottdaddy2222: I took a look at the deleted article. The "references" cited seem to just be reprinted press releases. To support an article on a subject, that subject needs to have substantial reliable source material, published in reputable sources, that was not written by someone affiliated with or having an interest in promoting the subject. If such reference material doesn't exist, I'm afraid we couldn't accept an article at all.
I am not certain how you thought that "...offices located in Beautiful Destin, Florida,..." (we don't use fluff like "beautiful", you'd just state the location), "...Nation’s leading Advanced Social Media and Search Engine Optimization strategy companies." (we'd need very strong and reliable referencing backing that something is a "leading" anything before saying something like that, and for some reason every Word in the Sentence is Capitalized), and "A few of the people we have worked with..." (we generally discourage people or organizations from writing about themselves, as it's almost impossible to maintain neutrality when doing so, but even aside that we'd not use "we" in an article). You're welcome to try again, but you really need to stay away from that kind of marketing language and stick to only what can be supported by material in neutral, disinterested sources. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I came across this just now, would it be possible to move it to the draft space so that it can be worked on some. There are fresh citations and scholarly writing being added. 2602:30A:2CF0:90:6036:F48C:F92E:2349 (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And those would be...? Also, it would be very helpful if you would edit and communicate only from a single account and log into it when you do so. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seraphim, I'm fairly sure that this is the user Kazmandu2, who I blocked for several reasons, one of which was that they were quite obviously an undisclosed paid editor, most likely for Rockstar Marketing themselves. Given that this is either them trying to get around the block or someone who is aware of the other user's block and is trying to get around it by having another person edit, I'd strongly recommend against restoring anything for them. I'm fairly sure that it's Kazmandu2, though, given that they write in a similar format as that editor. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:35, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've opened up an SPI. A short look for the name "Scott" with Rockstar Marketing brings up the name of its owner. Scott made no edits to the Rockstar draft, only Kazmandu2 did. This makes it extremely likely that they're the same person trying to evade a block or they're someone who works in the same office. They seem to be aware of the block and are still trying to evade the block and the disclosure requirements. That they went through you and didn't ask me, the nominating and blocking admin, to restore it shows that they're trying to evade detection. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've also blocked them. This is about as COI and bad faith as it gets. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It looks like there are more accounts. (sighs) Also, I made a bit of a tweak above. I was the nominating and blocking admin, not the deleting one. Still, this looks to be a deliberate attempt to evade detection and avoid having to disclose their COI. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Again, thanks for letting me know. Some of these spammers are godawfully persistent, aren't they? I find myself having to review my deletion logs to make sure the stuff hasn't cropped back up, and inevitably at least a few things are right back in the same advertorial format. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion Of Chef Tony Khan.

My page Chef Tony Khan was deleted as you say it had advertising in it. I request you to let me try again to remove any unwanted advertorial elements. It clearly is not my intention. I just want there to be a record of Chef Tony Khan's actual achievements and the things he has done as a culinary chef to help others as well. I will provide references to each and every thing newspapers, books and verified links.I have numerous citations i can provide. he has appeared in many cooking shows on national tv in bangladesh and i will cite them properly. please help and as i am new, i had not used the user:new page option to mold the article. I wasnt finished citing or even writing it. Please tell me what i should do now. I can also use any advice you have. Please respond. Islammanwarul (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Islammanwarul: If you can use reputable sources that aren't affiliated with the subject, that would be very helpful. Also, the article was written in an advertising/CV style, and essentially read like a CV. It also insisted on using "Chef" multiple places throughout, including in the title. We don't use stuff like that. The page would be named "Tony Khan" and that would be used on first reference to him, future references would just be "Khan". Speedy deletion isn't necessarily a bar to recreation and you may take another go at it, but please do make sure to stick to reputable source material and not just write it as a CV/"list of accomplishments". You might consider a userspace draft or using draft space so that you can get some feedback prior to taking the page "live". Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

permission to recreate benistorm

I feel that the deletion of benistorm was unfair, as it was created 4 minutes before you deleted it. May I try to continue the page or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae9000ae (talk • contribs) 21:40, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ae9000ae: I'm sorry you felt it was unfair, but do stand by the decision. The article was both promotional in tone ("It's (sic) main objective is to provide fun to the game community"), and did not provide any assertion of notability. To be able to accept an article on any subject, that subject must have been reasonably extensively covered by third-party reliable sources which are not published by or interested in promoting the subject. ("Indiedb" would not be a reliable source.) Does such source material exist? If it does, it's entirely possible that an appropriate article could be written about this subject. If not, I'm afraid one won't be possible at all. Regardless, however, any article would need to be neutral, not promotional, in tone and content. The requirement for multiple reliable and disinterested sources is to help in maintaining that neutrality. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Could've you just put a deletion tag, then the author could fix it. Ae9000ae (talk)
That does not address the question I asked you at all. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:34, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But can you answer it?
I asked you a simple question, whether or not references of the necessary type exist. If not, then this is not a suitable topic for an article, period. If they do, it's possible one could be written. That was already the answer, and will remain the answer no matter how many ways you reframe the question. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I never reframed the question, I just asked if the author wanted to fix it. Sometimes you have to wait for things getting better, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae9000ae (talk • contribs) 23:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also i'm pretty sure you never looked at the "Do not bite the newcomers" page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae9000ae (talk • contribs) 21:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you all the best . . .

Merry Christmas, Seraphimblade, and may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:01, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and to you as well! Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:45, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proactiv sidebar

I've just noticed you deleted Template:Proactiv sidebar without discussion as advertising. I'd appreciate it if you would restore that and nominate it for deletion instead. It's a list of ingredients the users of this product, mostly women, will appreciate. Not advertising at all; quite the reverse. SarahSV (talk) 18:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at ongoing discussion on article talk page. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:09, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Ye of the brutal blade: Since every lord on high editor here in Wikiworld has a different definition of "notable" and uses his/her own definition to make final determinations about whether articles live or die I'm curious what level of notability passes your bar? You've noted to other poor souls pleading with you that one citation from an outside source is not enough and awards, etc from outside organizations are of no consequence to you. So for a company with hundreds of clients and at least some recordable search traffic seeking information, how many independent citations would you need? Two? Five? Just curious since the guidelines are broad enough to sail the red giant through. Thanks much.Ysplanti420 (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Citing anything would certainly help. There is indeed not a single "magic number". Rather, we're looking for a sufficient quantity and depth of reference material to write a full article. Regardless, however, even if an article were appropriate, it could not be written as a marketing brochure. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:31, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DeZyre Wiki Page Deleted

Hi Seraphimblade,

DeZyre Wiki Page has been deleted for being advertorial/promotional. This was not the intent at all and we just wanted to create the wiki page so that we could provide fountain of knowledge to people searching for a quick info about DeZyre. I thought I was writing it neutral and keeping it fact-based without violating any of the guidelines by making it valuable and notable to wiki readers. I want to adhere to all the Wikipedia guidelines and would be grateful if you could let me know what section of my content violates any of the guidelines. I would be make the necessary changes to the content so that it is in-align with the Wikipedia guidelines.

Appreciate any help or advice from you in taking the DeZyre Wiki page live. 

Khushbu241087 (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
First, Wikipedia is not "Wiki". That aside, I think there would be significant doubt about whether an article on this subject would be feasible at this time. Reference material in the article was very thin, and I don't see anything that looks any better. For an article to be possible on a given subject, we must have available multiple reliable sources which are not interested in or affiliated with the article subject available as references, and those sources must cover the subject to a reasonable depth. There's one blurb, and one anonymous source. That's not near enough. Do you know of any additional references that might exist? If so, I'd be happy to take a look at them. If the ones in the article are indeed the best that exist, I'm afraid we won't be able to accept any article on that subject. The promotional tone is another matter, some examples but far from the only ones: "...best-in class industry experts...", "...furbish the needs of working IT professionals...", "masterminds", "single-handedly built", and a whole bunch of glossy-brochure material like that. Even if an article were possible, it would need to be in a neutral tone, not contain a bunch of fluff like that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]


78.26's RFA Appreciation award

The 78.26 RFA Appreciation award
Thank you for the participation and support at my RFA. It is truly appreciated. I hope to be of further help around here, and if you see me doing something dumb, you know where to find me. Again, I thank you. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 01:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Direct Drive

Hello Seraphimblade This is Thisiswhatwefind. Have been searching for ages to see how I contact you. This seems to be it? I was confused as to your reason for the exclusion of the article but have since found that placed at the end was a link to a site which not only had some background on the band but also has a compilation of music for sale. This was added without my knowledge by another person whom I gave access of Thisiswhatwefind to in order to add anything that I did not know. And their addition must have been added just after i sent the article for inclusion on Wikipedia. I know that Wikipedia is an information site and not a 'shop window' and apologise for what happened. I fully appreciate why you declined the page. Was there anything else apart from that inclusion that you had a problem with? I was trying to do a plain and simple history of the band Direct Drive and being new to and unfamiliar with how one adds content was not and still am not fully conversant with how one adds references and was proposing to add them later. For your information here are some of the links http://www.whatmusic.com/info/productinfo.php?menulevel=home&productid=153&returnurl=http://www.whatmusic.com/home/index.php http://www.discogs.com/artist/87235-Direct-Drive-3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hardcastle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Rogers http://www.soulchoonzradio.com/featured_artists.php?FID=47 Thanks for your time and look forward to hearing from you.

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