User talk:Alexis Ivanov

A beer for you!

You were a great mentoree Alexis, and I hope we can work together in the future. Remember that you can always drop a note on my talk page for any reason. Now down it in one! Irondome (talk) 03:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Improper reversion

Your reversion was not appropriate. By convention, removal of a post from a talk page is considered evidence that the editor has read the post. With some rare limitations which do not apply here, editors are allowed to remove anything they choose from their talk page.--S Philbrick (Talk) 15:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Understood now. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ANI case concerning you

[1] Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kara-Khanid Khanate

If you have any evidence that the Karakhanids are Arabic, please do give that. Otherwise what you are doing is simply wrong on all levels. I will leave the Persian name on for the time being because they could be argued as Persianized, but any attempt to use Arabic as their native name without a source that they are Arabic would be considered disruptive. Hzh (talk) 13:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also the Persian name would be removed if you cannot give a good explanation - Persianized is not the same as Persian, they are Turkic, and to suggest that they are Persian is wrong. Hzh (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have never claimed any of those things you mentioned. So you don't have to misrepresent my edits like that Alexis Ivanov (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just reply in the talk of the article not in the user talk page Alexis Ivanov (talk) 14:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

September 2016

Please stop making disruptive edits.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Kouhi (talk) 15:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Alexis Ivanov once you remove the template, it will be assumed by the community that you have read it. Kouhi please can you provide the article name where this perceived activity is occurring, as I would like to take a look. Thanks. Irondome (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article is Seljuk Empire. Here User:Dbachmann (who is an administrator) told me I can use the source and add the Persian name. Despite this, Alexis Ivanov reverted my edit several times. He also restored the unsourced claim that Seljuqs used Oghuz Turkic in their military, while the reference (which he himself have cited) said that the Persian language was the language of military. This and this one are the relevant discussions. He claims that Seljuqs used Oghuz Turkic while in power, while I can't find this claim in the source he have cited. Please read the discussions (which is full of personal attacks). -- Kouhi (talk) 16:20, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Kouhi. Irondome (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kouhi & Alexis Ivanov I would urge you both to calm down on what is essentially a content dispute, and urgently seek extra eyes from uninvolved expert colleagues at Wikipedia:RfC. Or, as there appear to be mainly just the two of you on this, you can both choose Wikipedia:Third Opinion. Follow the instructions on the relevant links I have given. Both of you should co-operate on creating a properly worded RfC or Third Opinion summary, clearly stating the issues in a calm sober tone. Pinging Dbachmann as to advice on whether this is the best way forward. I would suspect it is. Irondome (talk) 16:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seljuk Turks

I had noticed your "discussion" and have been searching for some source(s). To suggest the Seljuk Turks did not speak Oghuz Turkic(or some Turkish dialect) is nonsense. To be able to write it out in the proper script, however, may take some effort(or a linguist). Anyway, I did find these two sources.

The Great Seljuk Empire, by A.C.S. Peacock, page 181-182, "Turkish remained the every-day language of court, and was probably much more widely used than the scanty surviving evidence suggests. Tughril relied on his vizier Kunduri to translate from Arabic and Persian into Turkish for him, and Turkish songs were sung at the wedding of Tughril to the caliph's daughter..[....].. The most telling evidence, however, of the importance of Turkish is the great Turkish-Arabic dictionary, the Diwan Lughat al-Turk, compiled in Baghdad for Caliph al-Muqtadi by the emigre Qarakhanid prince Mahmud al-Kashgari.

FYI, Al-Muqtadi lived from 1056 to February 1094.

The Ghaznavid and Seljuk Turks: Poetry as a Source for Iranian History, by G.E. Tetley, page 142, "That the Seljuk warriors and Oghuz shepherds of the 11th century were at first illiterate in Turkic is shown-among other things-by the way they adapted the Arabic alphabet(vowels and /?/) to what they spoke when they did decide to write their own Turkic dialect at the end of the 13th century."

The question mark is a symbol that resembles an "n" combined with the "j". I was unable to find something that looked like that. Sorry.

Hopefully this helps.--Kansas Bear (talk) 05:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know that word you are talking about, it is widely used in Turkic languages, and I tried to pronounce it, I remember Mengli Giray having that letter in his name. Also thanks for the A.C.S. Peacock reference, I think he is a leading scholar in the Seljuq studies, that book just came out last year, I will try to get my hands on it. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

seljuk empire-seljuk dynasty

I appreciate the efforts of Alexis.thanks

seljuk turks living oghuz yabgu state.they did not live in Ghaznavids domination.They conquered iran. they adopted persian culture and language. but they are not assimilated(persianate). Seljuk dynasty dynastic-military-army-daily talk language=oghuz turkic yes seljuk empire official language persian.but dynasty not persian speaking. They did not even know persian language.so persian language interpreters , and queen in the Persian had to turn around.

The military says that the Persian language. this is really a ridiculous situation. they were people with a culture of warriors and warrior. so the persian language was never army.--Osman bey (talk) 12:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]