Talk:3D printed firearm

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Merge FROM 3D printing article subsection TO this article

WITHDRAWN by proposer. See Summarize discussion below. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 18:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

INSERTING clarification: The merge proposal is to merge the Effects of 3D printing Firearms subsection (in the 3D printing article) into this (3D printed firearms) article. The merge proposal was tagged by another editor on that page on 10 NOV 2013, but not on this one at the same time, so I completed notice of the proposal today. Sorry for the confusion, or if I did it wrong. I just found it by way of an unrelated discussion. Lightbreather (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Inserting ping to Jarble, who originally proposed this merge. Lightbreather (talk) 22:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

There's probably too much content on firearms in the 3D print article, but there should still be a section there of at least a para, with a {{more}} link. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose There's enough external interest and coverage of firearms specifically to justify this separate article. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• oppose Although certainly expansion of the section should go into this dedicated article, per WP:SUMMARY I think some mention of the 3d printed firearms issue does need to remain in the 3d printing main article. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

• Support What's proposed - as I understand it - is not deleting the Firearms subsection from the 3D printing article. What's proposed is merging the material in that 5-paragraph, 31-citations subsection and leaving a brief, sourced summary in its stead. That subsection already has a main link to this article, indicating that this is the main article... which is where that much material belongs. Lightbreather (talk) 23:50, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Lightbreather while your proposal may have merit, that is not what this section is discussing. Per WP:Merging is not just a trimming down of data in one of the articles. (In wiki-speak the merge leaves nothing behind at one of the locations) What you propose could be accomplished with just a discussion or RFC on the page where the trimming is to happen. As my comment above indicates, I am essentially open to your proposal, although obviously there would need to be a consensus built on which parts were to be culled, and which parts were to remain in the main 3d article. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

As Stan Marsh would say, "I learned something today."  ;-) Basically, every day that I edit on WP, I learn something. Anyway, as I said at the top, the original proposal wasn't even mine. I found it when I was navigating around from another discussion (about 3D printed guns on the Gun control page?) NOW that I know that what I was thinking of as a merge in not a merge in the strict, WP sense, I can re-think my vote. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 01:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

orphan (related to Improvised firearm article)

There is a notice that says, "This article is an orphan," but the section "3D printers" in the article "Improvised firearm" links here with "Main article: 3D printed firearms". I read the guidelines for orphan articles, and it doesn't say these don't count towards being non-orphaned, as far as I know. Sorry, I'm rather new to this. I don't even know what to do on a talk page. F16falcona46 (talk) 00:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

The tag is usually added for fewer than 3 inbound links, but if you think it's already "linked as much as is justified", then go ahead and detag it. As this article has 3 links anyway: Special:WhatLinksHere/3D_printed_firearms (and surely needs one from Defense Distributed too), It's pretty moot. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Just so this is ALL above-board

TWO merge discussions are mixed together above. I am going to separate them for clarity only. Lightbreather (talk) 22:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Lightbreather the orphan discussion was not a merge discussion, and was resolved 2 months ago. Andy then !voted on the merge discussion, and you moved his !vote into the orphan discussion You have also moved several comments into different sections. I have restored the comments and !vote to the correct location Gaijin42 (talk) 23:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

At the exact same minute that Gaijin was posting this comment, I was posting a "Help, please" discussion on his talk page re: the merge discussion(s). So we've got THAT all sorted out, no hard feelings. FYI. Lightbreather (talk) 01:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Summarize discussion

This replaces previous Merge discussion. Suggesting summarizing (not merging) 3D printing Firearms section into this article. Lightbreather (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Better summary might be needed

Defense Distributed's "blueprint" for a "plastic gun" was but one of ten items the Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance had a problem with...

1. Defense Distributed Liberator pistol
2. .22 electric
3. 125mm BK-14M high-explosive anti-tank warhead
4. 5.56/.223 muzzle brake
5. Springfield XD-40 tactical slide assembly
6. Sound Moderator – slip on
7. "The Dirty Diane" 1/2-28 to 3/4-16 STP S3600 oil filter silencer adapter
8. 12 gauge to .22 CB sub-caliber insert
9. Voltlock electronic black powder system
10. VZ-58 sight

I.e., Why the "United States Department of State demanded that they remove the instructions from their website" should probably be explained. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 21:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)