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New Atlas
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Prod removed by creator. Many refs that proves that company exists, but no refs to show notability. Cannot find reliable sources to show notability. There are several sources in the article but most of them are primary sources; the rest do not appear in-depth enough to indicate notability. Cannot find any coverage of the site itself. -- Darth Mike (talk) 15:54, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
- FYI, the publication was formerly called Gizmag -- Darth Mike (talk) 16:00, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: The article seems to exist only for promotional purposes. I don't see any indication of significant coverage in high-quality independent reliable sources. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:38, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback but I can assure you as the creator the intention of this piece isn't promotional, but to provide details on the long history of the business using Gizmodo as base structure to create the page. I will look to add a section on coverage with details on breaking news & additional notable sources. Will post here as soon as this has been updated, any further advice & guidance is greatly appreciated. —Coast123 (talk) 9:30, 10 November 2016 (GMT)
- Keep: Page has been updated to include additional citations and material. Looking to expand the new coverage section due to the high number of brand references within Wikipedia. —Coast123 (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2016 (GMT)
- Wikipedia itself is not to be used as a cited source in articles or as evidence of notability. Practically none of that material that you put into the article is talking about the website itself or establishing its notability, as best I can tell. Most of it was not about the website at all. The fact that some person who works for the website or owns the website was on some panel with 100 other people to give some award to someone else does nothing to establish the notability of the website and is basically irrelevant – that might be some (very minor) evidence that the person is notable, but it does nothing to establish that the website is notable. The fact that the website published an article about some camera does nothing to establish the notability of the website – even if some other people read that article and reference it in other articles. It might be evidence of the notability of the camera, but not the website that talked about it. What we need is in-depth coverage about the website in independent reliable sources. Please see WP:GNG. Incidentally, can you please try to use edit summaries when editing to explain your edits? It would be helpful to understand the motivation of the edits. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:52, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- The page isn't about the website, it's about the brands history and key figures involved during this time so I don't see how awards or key figures involved are irrelevant? Completely understand your reasoning RE notability so I've attempted to re-edit the content accordingly. The publication receives the majority of its coverage on other sites based on the articles & reports it produces, hence the large number of references throughout Wikipedia. This demonstrates the site as a trusted source, so the 'coverage' section was an attempt to display key breaking new stories where the brand has been cited by notable sources, again based on the Gizmodo page. Appreciate the feedback, thanks —Coast123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- Are there any references that talk ABOUT New Atlas/Gizmag. There are plenty of refs that show that it exists, but I cannot find any in-depth articles that talk about it. For instance, if you look at the Gizmodo page, there are plenty of references talking about Gizmodo and not just using Gizmodo as a source. -- Darth Mike (talk) 14:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ah that makes a lot more sense, I'll investigate - thanks! —Coast123 (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2016 (GMT)
- Yes, please. The article is about New Atlas/Gizmag. Per WP:GNG, it should cite "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" that talk about New Atlas/Gizmag "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content". Currently the article does not have that. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ok I think (hope) we're almost there! The page now includes more details about the website specifically including a diverse array of sources i.e. the Sydney Morning Herald, HighBeam Research and other independent publications. Let me know what you guys think, I've found references toward a book in which the founder had contributed but as it's not the website specifically not sure if that's relevant? Thanks again —Coast123 (talk) 10:36, 14 November 2016 (GMT)
- Yes, please. The article is about New Atlas/Gizmag. Per WP:GNG, it should cite "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" that talk about New Atlas/Gizmag "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content". Currently the article does not have that. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ah that makes a lot more sense, I'll investigate - thanks! —Coast123 (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2016 (GMT)
- Are there any references that talk ABOUT New Atlas/Gizmag. There are plenty of refs that show that it exists, but I cannot find any in-depth articles that talk about it. For instance, if you look at the Gizmodo page, there are plenty of references talking about Gizmodo and not just using Gizmodo as a source. -- Darth Mike (talk) 14:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- The page isn't about the website, it's about the brands history and key figures involved during this time so I don't see how awards or key figures involved are irrelevant? Completely understand your reasoning RE notability so I've attempted to re-edit the content accordingly. The publication receives the majority of its coverage on other sites based on the articles & reports it produces, hence the large number of references throughout Wikipedia. This demonstrates the site as a trusted source, so the 'coverage' section was an attempt to display key breaking new stories where the brand has been cited by notable sources, again based on the Gizmodo page. Appreciate the feedback, thanks —Coast123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- Wikipedia itself is not to be used as a cited source in articles or as evidence of notability. Practically none of that material that you put into the article is talking about the website itself or establishing its notability, as best I can tell. Most of it was not about the website at all. The fact that some person who works for the website or owns the website was on some panel with 100 other people to give some award to someone else does nothing to establish the notability of the website and is basically irrelevant – that might be some (very minor) evidence that the person is notable, but it does nothing to establish that the website is notable. The fact that the website published an article about some camera does nothing to establish the notability of the website – even if some other people read that article and reference it in other articles. It might be evidence of the notability of the camera, but not the website that talked about it. What we need is in-depth coverage about the website in independent reliable sources. Please see WP:GNG. Incidentally, can you please try to use edit summaries when editing to explain your edits? It would be helpful to understand the motivation of the edits. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:52, 10 November 2016 (UTC)