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Information about Characters

There's a mistake. Under Mila. It says she's a rink mate of Yuri K. She's actually rinkmate of Yuri P Bunnybuns (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2016

Hi, i'm italian, and i wanted to tell you that english subs are incorrect. The nickname of Michele Crispino is in fact wrote 'Michi' not 'Mickey' because it is an italian nickname, not an american one. Another mistake is his sister's name. it is Sara, with the r, not with the l, because, again, it is an italian name. Sala does not exist as an italian name and i'm 100% sure they meant Sara, but the subbers miswrote it. Benedettamalcontenta (talk) 14:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

could you please modify those 2 names? (i also reached out with crunchyroll america to see if they can spell the names right from now on)

 Not done These are the official English translations of the names and are verifiable through reliable sources. —Farix (t | c) 12:02, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's appropriate to put Yuri on Ice under this category since the two main characters Yuri and Victor became a couple and are engaged as of episode 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.152.255 (talk) 00:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done false information, they're not engaged.--Sakretsu (talk) 11:48, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Then explain the gold rings? Anonymous 9:04, December 9, 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.101.185.2 (talk)

There is nothing to explain since we're not supposed to assume things as per WP:NOR.--Sakretsu (talk) 18:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Engaged or not, some of the characters are LGBT. --Killuminator (talk) 04:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Who? Everything is nothing but teasing fans. They haven't showed anything.Correctron (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The category description says This category includes television series, made-for-television films, news, entertainment, specials and other programming which deal with or feature significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues and may have same-sex romance or relationships as an important plot device. I don't think teasing fans could be described as featuring significant LGBT characters or issues.--Sakretsu (talk) 13:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At this point, there is no critical reception section written, so there's no indication whether or not the show has significant LGBT themes. The articles you brought up do have reviewers that have commented on possible connections, but it is still to be determined whether it has enough weight to be a defining category (see WP:CATDEF). Also, if most reviewers are making connections to it, and/or if the director or author has clearly indicated it is the case, that would help. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How about these? http://www.idigitaltimes.com/yuri-ice-season-1-episode-12-finale-winter-2016s-best-anime-hastily-sets-season-2-575272 http://www.dailydot.com/parsec/yuri-on-ice-episode-10-twist-victor/ {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 18:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Er, I'm not sure if I'm doing this right... But I'll just comment here. I've tried looking into it, and, I mean, I've watched the show. The entire LGBTQA+ dynamic, if you think it's there, is very heavily dependent on visual cues. None of the characters straight out (make a pun) say "I'm gay" or anything like that. However, there is the aforementioned exchange of the rings (which, if you zoom in on the receipt for the ring(s), reveal the ring(s) to be wedding ring(s)), the (presumably) kiss in Episode 7, and Victor's crying over Yuri K.'s decision to "end this." Also, Victor says something along the lines of "...so my costume suggested both male and female genders at once," and Yuri K.'s Eros program is also meant to represent him as the "femme fatale". Honestly, it is left out there for self-interpretation. Apparently no one seems to be asking Mitsurō Kubo this question either, which is very very odd, from my standpoint. {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 17:19, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some did try to reference a tweet that was written by Mitsurō Kubo, but as Twitter is not considered a reliable source it was removed. I think she has talked about this in some form or another, but I might be wrong. ISD (talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Do you know where? It could be really helpful. {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I think I made an error. When the tweet was post on the article as shown here it again talks about an assumption. This is the tweet that is referenced. If someone can find an interview in which Kubo's thoughts are made clear that would be great. I think the issue is that while most people believe the characters to be gay, it is never confirmed by something like an uncensored kiss or saying something like "I love you". It all depends on what the viewer see. I think that if we come across a review from someone that claims the characters are not gay, then that should be highlighted as well as the others to show there is a debate. ISD (talk) 18:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed about the debate-thing. I wonder if interviewers are purposely ignoring this question? Or maybe a gag order was issued? It's all very mysterious. {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is a gag order. There might be an issue over what Japanese TV is allowed to show in terms of homosexuality, so perhaps they are not allowed to be as explicit as they wanted to be, but I might be making that up. ISD (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the articles I was reading have recommendations for animes with highly explicit gay kissing scenes, so maybe not? I think Mitsurō or someone on the production team made a joke about the show itself barely passing censorship laws because it was too "sexy", but I'm not sure if that's true. {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 19:17, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I want to bring this topic up again, because more sources are referring to Victor and Yuuri as a couple. (See: http://www.dailydot.com/parsec/yuri-on-ice-fandom-creativity-theories/ http://www.itechpost.com/articles/63132/20161208/yuri-ice-episode-10-recap-11-spoilers-viktor-engaged-yurio.htm http://www.geek.com/television/yuri-on-ice-is-a-non-traditional-gay-anime-romance-1683540/), although you can decide for yourself if they are relatively acceptable as sources. JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 14:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's already been put in this category. It's debatable whether this is a conclusion on genre though, since they aren't the regular anime reviewers. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Viewing statistics/popularity

Rocket News 24 said that Yuri on Ice is "this season's biggest sports anime hit." http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/12/13/life-imitates-anime-art-as-evgenia-medvedeva-gets-a-yuri-on-ice-present-from-fan

However, there are no viewing statistics in the article. Elsewhere, I saw http://www.videor.co.jp/data/ratedata/top10.htm#comic listed as the place to get viewership info for anime in Japan. Is that correct? Cloveapple (talk) 09:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

According to the link, Yuri on Ice isn't in the top for either anime or sports. It may still be the top sports anime but we would need a different link. My bet is on Haikyuu.Correctron (talk) 14:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Guys and gals, create and add this to the reception section. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-12-21/yuri-on-ice-dominates-fall-anime-on-twitter-rankings/.110186 UnknownUsername480 (talk) 14:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A reception section is definitely long overdue, there's quite a few sources that talk about it now. Including mentions of RL figure skaters who have publicly commented on the show (and in some cases their animated alter egos) i.e. here. 64.231.43.188 (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the links, I've made reference to most of those links in the article now. ISD (talk) 15:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The kiss

Is the kiss from episode 7 have that much of a weight on the reception of the series that it needs 3-4 paragraphs? Please see WP:WEIGHT and WP:NOTGOSSIP AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is not just the kiss. There is also the scene with the rings and other moments concerning the relationship between Yuri K. and Victor. The section also deals with covering other elements concerning sexuality and the way it has been received by fans and critics alike. ISD (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've come across this review of the show on Kotaku where, when talking about the kiss scene in episode seven, says: "a writer confirmed it was, in fact, a kiss—but the animation remains ambiguous" and linked to this Tweet from the show's writer Mitsurō Kubo. I know that Twitter is not a reliable source, although I think Kotaku is (if I'm wrong, let me know and I'll remove it from the article). Is someone capable of translating the tweet to confirm that Kubo is saying that the kiss did happen, because if so and if Kotaku is considered a reliable source, does that mean that it can be included in the article? ISD (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The tweet is from a verified account, so it would count as a reliable source for statements by series writer Mitsurō Kubo. Google translates the tweet as "It is my imagination that I felt something to synchronize with this week's escape shame" while Bing translates it as, "To escape shame this week with something that felt like maybe". In either translation, it doesn't appear to be talking about a kiss. However, there may be some nuances in language that the computer-based translators miss or other tweets that this one is responding to. Twitter isn't very good at threading a series of tweets after all. —Farix (t | c) 21:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The correct translation of that tweet is: “Is it just me or something synchronized with Nigehaji this week?”. She was referring to a Japanese TV drama of that name. On the same day that episode 7 (with the kiss) aired, Nigehaji apparently had its first kiss between its own two leads as well. There was nothing in common between the two shows/episodes besides that.
Then it requires a high degree of synthesis and shouldn't be included. —Farix (t | c) 23:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sales

The first BD sold 24k copies http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-05/japan-animation-blu-ray-disc-ranking-december-26-january-1/.110653 and DVD 11k http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-05/japan-animation-dvd-ranking-december-26-january-1/.110656 UnknownUsername480 (talk) 13:11, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2016

this article has an instance of the phrase "poll dancing" which should be changed to "pole dancing". simple typo correction. EikoKuma (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Correction made. ISD (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2016

Ummmm, about the paragraph about the Yuri and Victor's relationship at the very TOP of the front page......I really don't think that should be there. Aside the homophobia usage (which the YOI doesn't really shows), I think the first sentence makes is sounds the show centers is about and around a romantic relationship, which it doesn't, despite being a large part of YOI. The rest of the paragraph should be delete because everything it mentions is ALREADY mention under the Reception section. Can someone please remove it? 68.11.91.158 (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Such information should only be kept in the Reception section where it's more appropriate.--Sakretsu (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 23:38, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with this. UnknownUsername480 (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why? While there are romantic tones in the series, it's NOT about a romantic relationship between two people. First and foremost, it's a SPORTS anime. And like I said, these things are already mention in the Reception section. AND, part of the paragraph is incorrect, YOI NEVER show any homophobic attitudes. It's best to keep Critics's interpretations, reviews, and media stuff under the Reception section where it belong. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to add that "highlighting issues such as homophobia in competitive figure skating" should be removed. Kubo has tweeted this is a world without discrimination against love, and there is no indication of any characters being homophobic. Gender is not mentioned when it comes to Yuri and Victor's relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gf671 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I took the homophobia bit out, is that OK or does more need to be done? ISD (talk) 08:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The series does not revolve around any kind of relationship, it revolves around a young Japanese figure skater trying to win the ISU Grand Prix with the aid of his new coach and idol. That's what you can deduce from the Plot section, and that's what you can sum up in the lead. Please do not suggest critics and fans' personal interpretations are absolute either: the relationship between Yuri and Victor does not become closer romantically just because the audience thinks (or is induced to think) so.--Sakretsu (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, do you want all references to any indication of a same-sex relationship removed from the article, including the "Depiction of same-sex relationship" section? ISD (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not, that's not my intention. It's just wrong to let it seem in that paragraph that the relationship between Yuri and Victor involves for sure romantic feelings. For example, even though some reviewers may say Yuri on Ice is a good show, we are not allowed to write in the lead "Yuri on Ice is a good Japanese sports anime television series".--Sakretsu (talk) 14:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I think I get it now. I've altered that paragraph to represent more of what it says in the plot section. Hopefully its alright now. ISD (talk) 15:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are you folks, new to the wiki or something? Because it's appropriate to still include this in the lead. You might want to take a look at this page. Many other original anime series out there have an excellent overview, so finding a good example to copy or be inspired from shouldn't be any problem. Maybe we can write something like this: Yuri on Ice initially received positive reviews, with critics praising the ------- Or shall we wait for the release of the Blu-ray/DVD?UnknownUsername480 (talk) 16:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, it's seems that paragraph is settled. I like to add one last thing - Sayo-sensei is known to portray and have LGBT-relationship tones and relationship in her animes, BUT it's doesn't mean the relationship is that the show is mainly about. I know about Sayo's works and I do believe it's clear that Yuri and Victor are in a romantic relationship. However, I want that paragraph to be remove because of reasons I already stated above. It's the same as a movies or TV show that a Action, Crime drama, or horror genre - they can have romantic elements in the series, but don't make it means the romance is the main plot of the series. If anyone wants to mention that Yuri and Victor are in a relationship, please do it under their BIOS. Keep overall reviews from Critics under the Reception section. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 19:25, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Going with the example UnknownUsername480 mentioned, I thought it best just to merge the two paragraphs into one. If you want a "good example", chances are you are probably going to be something in print I feel. However, I don't feel comfortable with keep just mentions to the relationship in the bios (which would be on the character page). Most of the talk that I can find online, including reviews, focuses on the relationship and not the sport. It feels daft not to report on it in some way like the "Depiction of same-sex relationship" section. ISD (talk) 20:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's best to leave any paragraphs about critics reviews out entirely on the top of the main page for now. Most reviews do focus on the relationship, which is best left in the Reception section. As for the current paragraph at the top of the page, like I said, the Plot section already mention everything, keeping a vaguer version of it on the top of the page seems...unneeded. It was fine the way, at least I think so. I seen others Sports anime articles too, like Free! or DAYS (another MAPPA anime) follow a similar structure. Keep Plot stuff in the Plot section. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The lead is OK now (see WP:LEAD). As long as it doesn't violate a neutral point of view, a brief plot summary can always be added.--Sakretsu (talk) 22:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 22:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2016

Hello? For the YOI page...as a another edit request to the paragraph the top of the page....seems redundant (?)...It's like a vaguer description of what is already mention the PLOT section. Also, I like to point out that the while "(Yuri K.)" in the Plot section, shouldn't be there. "Yuri K" is NOT that how the characters in-universe addresses him, it's not a nickname. The Wikipedia articles just uses "Yuri K." as a way to differentiate from Russian Yuri. So, I think it should be taken out. Also, the part with "(nicknamed "Yurio")", that should been taken out, too. For one, while he is called that by Victor, Japanese Yuri, and the other Japanese characters, it's not a steady nickname and Russian Yuri has a lot of nicknames, but is mainly call Yuri by others in the show, since he spent a lot time away from Victor and the other Japanese characters. I think the Plot section was fine before the recent change. So, can someone please take it out? 68.11.91.158 (talk) 19:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Made change in plot section. You don't need me to change all the Yuri K.'s do you? ISD (talk) 20:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, just in the plot section! Thank you! 68.11.91.158 (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. ISD (talk) 20:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gay couple

Why is the reception section leading readers to believe Yuri and Victor are factually a gay couple? It's nothing but speculation and yet intentionally misleads readers.Correctron (talk) 22:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because most of the reviews and comments I've seen online have argued along the lines that the characters are gay. You say it is speculation, but I've not come across any reliable sources that argue against the claim that they are gay. If you can find some reliable sources that argue that they are NOT a same-sex couple, then I'm more than happy for them to be included as it indicates that there is open debate on the subject. ISD (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then where is the proof they ARE gay. Opinion doesn't equal fact. The reception section must be cleared up to make it obvious that it is all speculation. It says there is a kiss scene. We see no such kiss. It also trets the ring thing as getting engaged though the characters themselves at no point say anything like that. You are giving undo weight to opinion blogs. Opinions are NOT reliable sources.Correctron (talk) 01:17, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Victor does explicitly call it an engagement ring in the episode. Until then I think it's fair for others to believe so until proven otherwise. Victor's words in context and the sound direction of the kiss scene would also make little sense if it was not a kiss. Given that they are also paralleled with the meta-narrative love story in the show as well as to a romantic song about two men, it only makes sense that the show is pointing to them having romantic feelings for each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.18.221 (talk) 03:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To reference this piece that is in the article, why should the emphasis be on my to prove that Yuri K. and Victor are a gay couple? I have provided and referenced lots of material that argues the case for a relationship to exist, but to quote that article: "Victor's arm obscuring where his lips meet Yuri's cannot possibly be an artistic decision; either we see them kiss or there was no kiss. Disagree? Prove it. Never mind that obscuring a kiss is completely consistent with the show's storytelling style so far, leaving deliberate information gaps and inviting viewers to read between the lines. Pics or it didn't happen." I would argue that rather than me trying to prove they are gay which I've tried my hardest to do, I would rather that you tried to prove that they are not, and provide references to that effect. ISD (talk) 08:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess God is officially real. Correctron (talk) 14:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just reposting what I've said before under a different topic on this page. "I've tried looking into it [the homosexual aspect of said show], and, I mean, I've watched the show. The entire LGBTQA+ dynamic, if you think it's there, is very heavily dependent on visual cues. None of the characters straight out (make a pun) say "I'm gay" or anything like that. However, there are the aforementioned exchange of the rings (which, if you zoom in on the receipt for the ring(s), reveal the ring(s) to be wedding ring(s), the (presumably) kiss in Episode 7, and Victor's crying over Yuri K.'s decision to "end this." Also, Victor says something along the lines of "...so my costume suggested both male and female genders at once," and Yuri K.'s Eros program is meant to represent him as the "femme fatale". Honestly, it is left out there for self-interpretation. Apparently no one seems to be asking Mitsurō Kubo this question either, which is very very odd, from my standpoint." Correctron, many anime news sites, such as Anime News Network, have run articles supporting assertations that Yuuri and Victor are gay. And, as I've previously stated, "there are the aforementioned exchange of the rings (which, if you zoom in on the receipt for the ring(s), reveal the ring(s) to be wedding ring(s)), the (presumably) kiss in Episode 7, and Victor's crying over Yuri K.'s decision to 'end this.'" I'm fairly sure this should all count for something. {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 20:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is The Legend of Korra all over again. --Killuminator (talk) 13:01, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Refideas

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/12/24/japanese-fans-pick-2016s-most-magnetic-anime-characters http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/12/27-1/nico-nico-research-306000-japanese-fans-pick-best-tv-anime-of-2016UnknownUsername480 (talk) 20:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've put these up at refideas above. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:43, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Used the references in the article. ISD (talk) 10:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit submitted

I've put this article in as a special request for WP:GOCE. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:14, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2016

Can someone please remove the "LBGT" from the GENRE section? Don't be fool by the source link by it; take look at it. It's NOT a reliable source and it's clearly a opinionated article/review for the series that has nothing to do with canon stuff! That person that put it there probably just saw the word "LBGT" used in the article and let their imagination run wild again. LBGT isn't even a genre! Can someone please remove it? 68.11.91.158 (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done it is not officially classified under yaoi or marketed in the LGBT genre, although it can contain material related to LGBT as demonstrated by the detailed Reception section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Yaoi"

Recently, an IP address made a change to the genre, claiming it to belong to the yaoi genre. I don't believe this to be true, considering that the main focus of the anime is not Viktor and Yuuri's relationship, but rather, competitive ice skating. I undid the revision, but does anyone else have anything to say on this subject? {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not what the editors believe, but it's what the media is classified under the preponderance of reliable sources. None have been provided to classify it beyond that it is a sports/figure skating-themed anime show. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to request semi-protection for this article because there's constant vandalism about YOI's genre. It's vaguely irritating at this point. {{SUBST:JackOfTrades1776}} (talk) 14:41, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if it is vandalism, might be more akin to enthusiasm from fans who believe the series to be "yaoi" (although it is probably not sexual enough to be yaoi, maybe more shonen-ai) - but I do agree with JackOfPanTrades and think that we should include semi-protection again as all the genre edits are getting annoying. ISD (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources are a must if the genre is going to be changed... though I doubt such a change is likely. While many anime fans outside of Japan use "yaoi" as a catch-all term for (largely female-targeted) works that feature male-male relationships, yaoi is a specific genre with its own thematic elements. RA0808 talkcontribs 21:41, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is the lock really nesscary? The page was just unlocked yesterday and so far only two users did it. I don't think locking the page again is necessary. It means you punishing the goods anon users too. Why do can we just handle the issue by talking to the users on their talk page who mess with the Genre section? Also, they didn't repeat their action and only did once so far. If a users continually disrupts, why not block the users, rather always lock down the page? Is there any way to remove the lock? I also think the lock period is excessive! Last time, it was one month! How did it just to 3 months just after a day and two edits?! Please consider what I said. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You may not realize this, since you aren't registered, but disruptive edits on this page have gone on for a long time. Also, not only did two of us agree that the vandalism was approaching an irritating level, but the request went through, which means a trusted person reviewed the edits and agreed that the page should go under semi-protection. And to answer your question about removing the semi-protection, there are ways for registered users. However, as I've said before, at least three people find this necessary to maintain the quality of this article. If you wish to make edits to this page, you can always comment on the talk page (as I'm sure you know how to) and ask an auto-confirmed user to edit the article on your behalf or you can make an account for Wikipedia and become an auto-confirmed user yourself. I've seen the edits you've made, and I'm fairly certain that becoming an auto-confirmed user would prove a simple task. On that note, do you have any edits that you would like to be made to this article? JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 18:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Believe me, I VERY aware of the constant messing with the GENRE section. I'm one of the users that build the YOI page up and been watching over it, even when it's locked. And the previous incidents that cause the page to be locked before was way worse that this time. And, I'm not a person that usually edit on Wikipedia a lot, I only ever do it because I took a particular liking to something and I want to see it flourish. I don't want a official account. In the meantime, I'll do what I always done and watch over the main page. If I see anything or some news come up about YOI, I'll let someone know. 68.11.91.158 (talk) 19:12, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I spotted that this website refers to the series as yaoi, but I think it is a blog and thus not a reliable source. Just want to check whether it is before anyone does reference it. ISD (talk) 16:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it's borderline, but it does have this interview with Johnny Weir regarding the show that could be used to beef up reception. [5]. But as I stated before, if most of the regular anime reviewers are calling it yaoi up front as with Sakura Trick and it's being marketed as yaoi anime, then that would be more convincing. It's much like putting an ecchi anime in the hentai genre. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:03, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the interview to the article now. ISD (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2017

There is a slight error in the Anime section. I have bolded the changes that need to be made

Please change "The first DVD edition reached No. 3 in the Oricon Animation DVD ranking, behind limited and standard editions of One Piece Film: Gold, and ranked No. 5 in the Oricon general DVD ranking." TO "The first DVD edition reached No. 1 in the Oricon DVD Animation ranking, above limited and standard editions of One Piece Film: Gold, and ranked No. 3 in the Oricon general DVD ranking."

The sources for this change are as follows:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-05/japan-animation-dvd-ranking-december-26-january-1/.110656 (which has since been updated with new information) http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dg/w/2017-01-09/

UPDATE: there have been further changes and the first DVD edition is now ranked no. 2 in the Oricon general DVD ranking.

I have an online screenshot and the website itself as sources: http://68.media.tumblr.com/a81fb0f98c693c89966d99b214da10f4/tumblr_inline_ojd3vm7AJo1tzbidd_1280.png

http://ranking.oricon.co.jp/s/ (Scroll down until you see the Rv icon and click to expand)


Achi221 (talk) 14:21, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for helping out! JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 14:24, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Marking as answered. st170e 14:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

YOI is critically acclaimed. I mean, just look at its sales and popularity. Also, the reception section is too long. We must remove some unnecessary details. UnknownUsername480 (talk) 23:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sales and popularity have nothing to do with critical acclaim.Correctron (talk) 07:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of critical acclaim, if the show won an award that would certainly be a sign of acclaim, and no doubt that would be included in the lead. If it won any of the Crunchyroll Anime Awards that it is currently nominated for, I suspect that might be worthy of inclusion in the lead. ISD (talk) 08:33, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh really? YOI appeared and topped in multiple popularity polls and won the Tokyo anime award. It was the most tweeted anime of the year (2016), with more than 1 million tweets. The Blu-ray/DVD sold around 50k copies and that's really great for a new original franchise. It also received praise from critics and FIGURE SKATERS! Now tell me, how is that not critically acclaimed? Btw, the reception section is way too long, I suggest you folks to remove the unnecessary details. UnknownUsername480 (talk) 13:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Tweets, salesand popularity polls aren't "critically acclaimed" as they have nothing to do with critics. Also that shouldn't be in the lead sentence per MOS. Lead paragraph perhaps. But as for reception length, it's fine, see Death Note and Naruto on suggestions on how to structure the reception section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I already commented that YOI has been praised by both critics and figure skaters and won the Tokyo anime award. Who knows, it might win the Animation Kobe awards or the Animage Grand prix. And well, I kind of agree that we must not promote the idea though. I guess we'll just have to wait, then. As for reception section, Naruto and Death Note are bad examples because they are not original anime adaptation. Their reception section has both anime and manga sales, critics response or whatever. I suggest you to check Angel Beats!, Gurren Lagann or the highly acclaimed series Puella Magi Madoka Magica. I'm gonna say it again, the reception section is way too long so please remove the unnecessary details. Thanks, folks. UnknownUsername480 (talk) 15:39, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at those examples, the impression I get is not to remove unnecessary details, but just to break down the reception section into smaller chunks. Also, you say to remove the unnecessary details, but you haven't said what those details are. What should be removed? ISD (talk) 16:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, okay, firstly, the awards and nominations should be under the "Accolades" section. Second, we must add the blu-ray/dvd sales under the reception section. I find the "Depiction of same-sex relationship" section really unnecessary. Maybe you should make it smaller? UnknownUsername480 (talk) 17:15, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've re-worked the reception section, breaking the whole thing down into more manageable sections, including "Accoldaes" and "Sales". The critical reception I split between the views of the critics and those of the public in the polls. For the "Depiction of same-sex relationship", I didn't make it smaller, but again I did split it to make it easier to read, dealing with "Praise" and "Criticism". ISD (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It looks great now. Thanks, pal! ;) UnknownUsername480 (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Woah. That's... really good. ISD (talk · contribs) nice job. JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 23:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. I would say that if we need anything else, we could do with perhaps another image or two to break down all the text. I know that there is the Blu-Ray cover that is used in the list of episodes which we could possibly use. Perhaps a screenshot of the kiss scene to use in the same-sex relationship section to illustrate the topic better? These are just suggestions though. ISD (talk) 09:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I added a screenshot of the kiss scene, ISD (talk · contribs). JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 21:34, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Good. I've made one or two changes - I moved it to the star of the same-sex relationship section as I thought it is where the kiss is first talked about in depth, and thought it would be better slightly larger. Just one question about the use of language: in the image caption you used the word "alleged", which I don't think is used elsewhere in the article. Should we add the "alleged" to the main body of the text too, or rephrase the caption, as I know it is a delicate subject. ISD (talk) 22:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The answer is "yes". Since it's not shown, its alleged. Same with all the other things being inferred. The who same-sex section is treating everything as fact.Correctron (talk) 14:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Correctron. JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 14:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll go along with it ISD (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Awards in lead?

(moving awards to its own subsection on this thread AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Following the results of the Anime Awards (winning 6 out of 7, with one yet to be revealed), do you think this is worthy of mentioning in the lead, and if so should it be mentioned in the lead now, or wait until the final award is revealed later in the month? ISD (talk) 06:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's worth mentioning, but we should wait until January 28th, when the "Best Anime" is announced. JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 14:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Make sense, especially as if it does win, it would mean it would win half of the all the available awards. ISD (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You can structure it as with other television show in the Awards and accolades section. Question is whether Crunchyroll gives out a physical award (Annie Awards, Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards, or Tokyo Anime Award) or whether it's just a superlative year-end virtual award like Behind The Voice Actors. Anime of the Year could listed in the lead paragraphs, but PLEASE don't use "award-winning" in the first sentence. WP:PEACOCK. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Answering my own question. Yes, it looks like the awards are planned to be a big deal. press release I'm still wary that the winner is determined by fan-driven voting so it isn't really as prestigious as a media award or one given by a panel of judges. But hey, garnering 1.8 million votes is more impressive than many of those Japanese magazine fan polls! [6] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Even though it's fan-voted, I believe the nominations were chosen by a panel. JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 21:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And that it's "revealed live in front of more than 400 anime influencers, industry experts and fans " should help up its credibility. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2017

Hi there! I would like to add something to the Public popularity section:

In a "2016 Fall Anime Poll" held by Japanese anime news aggregator site AnimeAnime of 941 voters, Yuri!!! On Ice came top of the poll of around 50 Fall Anime Series of 2016, receiving 20% of the votes among women, and was ranked 8th most popular among male voters.

Source:

http://s.animeanime.jp/article/2017/01/11/32120.html Achi221 (talk) 01:05, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've posted the piece in the "Public Popularity" section, although obviously any translation of the poll would be useful. ISD (talk) 08:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done by User:ISD. JustBerry (talk) 13:30, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just seen this on Crunchyroll. Is this the same story translated into English, or a different poll? ISD (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Different poll. Japanese watchers voted Yuri!!! on Ice as the anime in 2016 they most enjoyed/were satisfied with.

I'd also add that in their February 2017 edition, the Japanese magazine Animage held a poll for the 100 best anime characters in 2016 and Victor placed first, Yuuri second, and Yuri sixth. Source: https://artbooksnat.tumblr.com/post/155767257037/animage-best-100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.16.136.251 (talk) 18:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That one would be good for reception for the character article as well. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've added both references now, although I would prefer to get some more details on the magazine. The story may get picked up elsewhere. ISD (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Alleged" Kiss Scene

Being the oblivious idiot that I am, I just realized that Crunchyroll refers to the "alleged" kiss scene as a definite in the Anime Awards. Should we remove the word "alleged" in referrals to the kiss? JackOfPanTrades Card Hunter (Engage in intellectual conversation) 15:55, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that if you refer to it as "the kiss" in quotation marks/inverted commas, then you can probably read into the phrase both meanings. You can either look at it and think you are directly referring to the scene as a kiss, or they could be seen as scare quotes. ISD (talk) 07:56, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer something more straightforward than scare quotes, but it's tricky. For the last few days I've been trying to think of a replacement for "alleged" since that has negative connotations, and thought of "possible" but I don't think that quite works either. If our sources are divided as to whether it is a kiss couldn't we just state that in the caption? Something like: "Viewers are divided about whether or not this is a kiss." Cloveapple (talk) 09:13, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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