Talk:Supreme War Council (Japan)

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This page incorrectly lumps two separate and distinct entities together. The first is the Supreme War Council, which was under Imperial General Headquarters and was responsible for the military conduct of the war. This Council was created during the Meiji Restoration, and is referenced in the opening paragraph of this article.

The second and very separate entity referenced in this article is the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War (commonly translated in English as simply Supreme War Council). This council was created by Premier Kuniaki Koiso in 1944 in an attempt to gain a more direct say in the execution of the war. This is the council that became an inner cabinet of sorts, and where Japanese policy makers held important debates regarding the nature and timing of surrender.

I suggest that we delete the first paragraph since it is unsourced, and write a description of only the latter Supreme War Council. I also suggest that we rename this article "The Supreme Council for the Direction of the War".

The issue of confusing these two entities is featured prominently in Robert JC Butow's "The Surrender of Japan", Stanford University Press: 1954. bosoxrock88 (talk) 15:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your comment about the distinction between the Saikō sensō shidō kaigi and the Gunjji sangi'in of the Meiji era. However, as most english sources use the same name for the two entities, I think that the main topic of this article should remain the later one and that we should add a section about the new Council, the political move made Koiso and specify that Anami, Toyoda and others were members of the Saikō kaigi. --Flying Tiger 17:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Gunji-Sangikan-Kaigi(軍事参議官会議) and Saiko-Sensou-Sidou-Kaigi(最高戦争指導会議)＝Supreme War Council are completely different entities. Former was based on Meiji constitution which was valid until 1945. Both existed in 1944 and 1945, but have different members. All of Gunji-Sangikan-Kaigi members are current or ex high ranking military officers, no civilian. So we should delete description of Gunji-Sangikan-Kaigi in this page.-Kmk75s (talk) 01:22, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]