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Hypogamy

The word "hypogamy" typically refers to instances of the inverse occurring: marrying a person of lower social class or status.

By definition, if one spouse is engaging in hyprgamy through getting married, then isn't the other spouse simultaneously engaging in hypogamy? 98.221.141.21 (talk) 07:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So is the problem that it is redundant to state that or that the statistics show that hypergamy is a largely female phenomena? I would agree with the first one but the second one is backed by solid numbers. 12.227.104.109 (talk) 09:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

Discussion of the role money plays in determining how women select long-term male partners is often considered a taboo subject, and is rarely discussed openly.[5]

That's funny. Rappers rap about it all the time.--Maltwhiskman (talk) 03:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rappers don't produce academic literature that is subject to peer review. 68.46.42.9 (talk) 02:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Rappers" produce music that is very much subject to peer review. If the underlying message within the lyrical depiction of reality is not commonly accepted as "accurate" -- the music does not gain popularity, generate revenue, or make it's way into mainstream media.

My theory is relevant --- "If there is a shred of truth OR belive-ability contained within, the underlying message will gain popularity." --- In simple terms --- "If you've heard of it, it has some degree of substance."

Citation/Source

I was hoping I could get a fresh pair of eyes on this: "Discussion of the role money plays in determining how women select long-term male partners is often considered a taboo subject." I feel that the source does not definatively say this, however NJGW and I differ on this opinion. I hope a few people can look at the source and see if we are accurately portraying the information stated in the citation. Angryapathy (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did a little WP policy research, and I think the one that applies best here is WP:SUBSTANTIATE, and secondly WP:ASF. They both dictate that we should list who the source of the information is. Angryapathy (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Restored content

I restored the Dalmia & Sicilian (2008) study because contrary to the claim that the source does not support the statement, the authors summarize their findings: "Finally, we use the match matrices to examine whether marriages in our samples exhibit hypergamy (women marrying up) or hypogamy (men marrying up). Despite popular and some academic belief in the existence of hypergamy, we find no evidence of hypergamy or hypogamy." --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 17:37, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced that their methodology (cross-selectional, examining variables of currently married couples, rather than the relative status of before marriage couples and their mate selection criteria) supports their conclusions. In any event, won't argue it; but I will later add some more relevant articles that that directly look at pre-marital mate selection preferences and actions. Memills (talk) 05:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, whoever wrote the last sentence in the "Prevalence" section.

"Even in relatively gender-equal societies it's accepted that attractive young women will often mate with powerful Older Men.^[1]"

Thank you so much, that just made my day. Although the tone of the sentence may be a bit casual(but totally golden), so is this talk post. Thank you again.

12.227.104.109 (talk) 09:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand your response, but as I was coming to the talk page to raise concerns about that particular sentence, I think it's interesting someone else has already singled it out. I'm really not sure what the function of that sentence is in this article. Upon reading it, I found myself momentarily disoriented, thinking I'd wandered over to TV Tropes by mistake. The hyperlinking, at the very least, is oddly formatted for a Wikipedia page, not to mention the problematic nature of stating a social judgement as fact.

enlisant 17:05, 27 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabeth.Hurd423 (talk • contribs)

Contradiction

The last section of the "Feminism and Hypergamy" section states:

Because a hypergamous marriage is unequal, hypergamy has been criticized for reinforcing and perpetuating gender inequality in society overall, for example when highly educated women married to high-income men decide to stay home to raise children rather than pursuing their own careers.

A highly educated woman marrying a high income (and presumably, also highly educated) man is not hypergamy. Hypergamy is generally woman with little or no education and/or poor earning capacity (long term, anyway) and youth/attractiveness (fertility markers) marrying wealthy and/or high status men (of any age or appearance level).

I would also add, this actually fails logically. An educated woman marrying a wealthy man, whether she works or not, becomes wealthy via his wealth. So it doesn't perpetuate gender (financial) inequality at all, except speciously on paper if we pretend that couples don't have shared wealth (granted - this is generally how such figures are used in the "gender pay gap" fallacy).

Moreso, nothing is said here about the "unequal" being disadvantageous to male, who brings more to the table than his mate and therefore sacrifices a greater share of his wealthy. Does this make any sense?

I'd also include for example, overweight women who date primarily thin men, asian women who exclusively date caucasian men etc. also practitioners hypergamy, at least as far as societal norms go.

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^ Rudman, Laurie (2010). The Social Psychology of Gender: How Power and Intimacy Shape Gender Relations. The Guilford Press. p. 249. ISBN 1606239635.

[1] Rudman, Laurie (2010). The Social Psychology of Gender: How Power and Intimacy Shape Gender Relations. The Guilford Press. p. 249. ISBN 1606239635.

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