Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Jansen (basketball)

Daniel Jansen (basketball)

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Contested PROD with no removal rationale. As with a number of other recently-created and -deleted basketballer articles, this player hasn't (yet) played in any of the relevant leagues conferring automatic notability, although he's currently on the roster of a team which will play in one of those leagues when it begins. Generally speaking, though, that means that he gets an article when he actually takes the court in the relevant league, rather than beforehand. Current sourcing is better than some, but local/routine mentions only. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Belgian League is a fully professional one and he's going to play in the ABA League, that meet all the criteria. Asturkian (talk) 12:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually neither of those things meet the criteria. -DJSasso (talk)

Delete Nothing I can find shows he meet WP:GNG and he doesn't pass WP:NHOOPS. -DJSasso (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See below for multiple substantial independently published sources of presumed reliability. Carrite (talk) 15:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC) {{spa}} is missing a username and/or IP.[reply]

Delete - Neither leagues mentioned equate to inherent notability for a player. The subject needs to meet WP:GNG but fails to reach the bar.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:55, 19 September 2017 (UTC) {{spa}} is missing a username and/or IP.[reply]
Delete: per nom, but we're going to keep getting these as long as NSPORTS keeps up with the bonehead dozen-year-old definition of "fully professional" = "top-flight." That language's sell-by date's long passed and it's confusing to people who say "Wait, what, they're all getting paid aren't they?" Nha Trang ^Allons! 20:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NSPORT doesn't actually say that and hasn't for awhile. At least for basketball. -DJSasso (talk) 12:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It does for football, which muddies everything else. In a fully professional, 3rd tier league, not everyone should be default notable for one game.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The author of this article wasn't aware of the notabilty criteria, see discussions of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Garcia (basketball). After being made aware of them he removed the articles not likely to pass or WP:GNG or WP:NHOOPS. The ones left are Daniel Jansen and Eric Garcia, two players who should pass WP:NHOOPS in less than a week when they play their first game in the ABA League. We can be bureaucratic about it and remove them now just to add them again in less than a week (per WP:CRYSTAL ball and all), or we could just wait, this being a new editors rookie mistake which he is now aware of not doing again. Dammit_steve (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet notability guidelines for basketball players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC) {{spa}} is missing a username and/or IP.[reply]
Keep - With all due respect, deletion advocates, you have this one wrong. Don't care that he's not a player in a pro league, he was the Division II Player of the Year in 2016 and as such passes our General Notability Guideline. The GNG for basketball players is therefore irrelevant. Carrite (talk) 15:42, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that his team was Division II National Champions in 2015-16. Carrite (talk) 15:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, THIS article from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader clearly counts to GNG. Carrite (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And HERE is another feature story from the Sioux City Journal. Carrite (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Carrite. Antrocent (♫♬) 19:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep also agree with Carrite. The reason for the nomination made sense but in this case the player has separate notability already.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]