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This is a subpage of Talk:Kiev for discussing the name of the article Kiev. Please take all discussion of the name here, reserving the regular talkpage for other matters. I hope that this division will benefit both the regular talkpage and the name discussion itself. Happy editing. Bishonen | talk.

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Move logs: Kiev
Kyiv

Discussions:

RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 22 February 2008, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_004#Requested_move
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 30 September 2008, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_005#Request_to_move_to_official_name
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 5 November 2009, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_005#Requested_move_October_2009
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 26 November 2012, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_006#Requested_move
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 9 November 2013, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_006#Requested_Move_2

Older discussions:
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 30 July 2007, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_001#Archived_Requested_move RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 5 September 2007, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_002#Requested_move RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 16 September 2007, Talk:Kiev/naming/archive_003#Request_for_move

Why is "Kiev" still being used over "Kyiv?"

If you want the article to be renamed, the only way to accomplish this is to start a WP:RM. Please note however that this has been done at least 9 times in the past 9 years, and the result is always the same. Softlavender (talk) 00:32, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I mean, it's even posted in the page itself that the Kyiv city government demanded that "Kyiv" be used over "Kiev" due to the incorrectness of "Kiev."

Why has nobody changed this yet, and should it be changed now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordMathe2 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Kiev" is being used because it is the common English name for this city. Just like English uses the names Moscow, Prague, Warsaw, Belgrade, Copenhagen, Cologne, Venice, Athens, etc. None of which match the native names for those cities. Also, the government of Kiev (or the entirety of Ukraine) does not have jurisdiction beyond their own borders and, thus, cannot legislate what the English speaking nations of the world say. --Khajidha (talk) 11:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

""Kiev" is being used because it is the common English name for this city." ....and has been such for hundreds of years. --Jamieli (talk) 12:11, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's a permanent sub-discussion on the naming of this article, noted when you edit talk, Talk:Kiev/naming. My position is once the U.S. BGN database (very carefully researched geographic names database, includes common English usage) goes "Kyiv", we can rename the article. Currently:

Kiev (Conventional - C)
Kyiv (Approved - N)
Kief (Variant - V)
Kiew (Variant - V)
Kijew (Variant - V)
Kijów (Variant - V)
Kiyev (Variant - V)
Kiyiv (Variant - V)
Kyyiv (Variant - V)
Київ (Variant Non-Roman Script - VS)

Hope this helps. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 03:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah...no. It's Kiev. Some Kyiv. Those other ones are NOT variants. Those are foreign languages all together. LordAtlas (talk) 04:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, aside of Russo-Soviet imperialists supporting "Kiev" over "Kyiv" and ignoring all possible legit arguments for "Kyiv", the only real argument for "Kiev" is that like "it's commonly used in English", however you can easily recall times when N-word was considered normal and was commonly used, and probably there were people out there claiming that black people have no jurisdiction to decide which words the white people should use, however the N-word is obviously not used now. The same with "Kiev" it's plainly offensive and is used either of ignorance or of overt support of sick Russo-Soviet machist-imperialist dreams (more like phantom pain though). I hope now the subject is finally clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weregrabber (talk • contribs) 23:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's clear you haven't read how most English sources say to spell Kiev. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:19, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And it is not actually clear that the user is here to build an encyclopaedia.--Ymblanter (talk) 03:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Nigger" is an English word with an offensive meaning IN ENGLISH. "Kiev" is an English word with no offensive meaning in English. The supposed "offense" you mention is to the use of the RUSSIAN word. As we are not writing in Russian, this is irrelevant. --Khajidha (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and "Weregrabber" is not only obviously NOT here to build an encyclopedia, he/she/(other preferred pronoun) is also obviously the same as a previously banned user. I'll check the archives for the name later. --09:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SlavaUkrainiGeroyamSlava and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.244.129.207 Same "argument" about the "N-word". --Khajidha (talk) 09:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, a good catch. I blocked them indef.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Everything starts in Kyiv

When the Wikipedia article called "Kiev" contains the official logo of the city which says "everything starts in KYIV", it is very confusing. I think this article should be renamed to Kyiv. 46.63.38.5 (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So remove the logo. - BilCat (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a Wikipedia vandalist. 46.63.38.5 (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]