Talk:Brand New (band)

Title

I removed the title of album #3 from the wiki. Someone put it down as "The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me" but this is NOT an official title. It was a title kicked around during the summer tour. Can we wait on posting a title until we have official confirmation? Marghiee

   Title was correct. Officially announced today. http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=176626 Marghiee

Genre

Right, can we please discuss the genre? Because it's getting stupid. Brand New are lots of things, they are _not_ indie rock. They aren't even on an indie label, and YFW is full of punk rock songs (with exactly 2 exceptions). There just seems to be certain people who object to classifying any band as "Emo". Halo 15:31, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

• Genres are not capatalized. Also pop punk does not need a dash between the words. Use the articles already on wikipedia to describe music. If you think there is a notable difference between "pop punk" and "pop-punk" you might want to establish the "pop-punk" article, which currently redirects to "pop punk." In our discussions on the "pop punk" article we have decided that there is no notable difference and that "pop punk" is the most notable of the two. Again, just to reinforce it, don't capitalized words inapproriately. Xsxex 17:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

I'm not sure what the phrase "despite the band's limited skills" refers to, but it's either non-NPOV or has a misplaced antecedent. thoughts?

My rollbacks...

I keep having the rollback the page... Please try and make contributions that are better than:

• Calling Brand New "an awesome band". I love them as much as the next person, but WP:NPOV please.
• Changing the genre. Look, I don't have an issue with this, but it's pointless and silly. Might as well leave it alone for all the hassle is causes, no? Contribute to the page instead.
• Adding unreferences information to the article about the new demos. If you want to add information, please add a footnote and a link to where it comes from. I'm a Brand New geek, and as such what's there is probably all that's known. I don't accept unreferenced things as the truth.
• Vandelism. This is stupid, adding the word "cocks" or adding fake band members is pathetic.

I won't revert anything that I believe adds anything to the article but the genuine contributions are increasingly few and far between. -Halo 13:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Should this page have a link to long song titles like this?

==See also==

• List of songs with particularly long titles

-- Gbeeker 21:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

- I don't think so. --wieners april 6

Brand New, Emo?

I really don't think so. I don't hear people call The Smiths or The Cure emo, and I think that Brand New is closely related to both of those bands musically.

what the fuck is with the constant genre changing... get over it. if you don't want them to be emo then don't call them that... indie is independent.. they print their own music. Brand New does not.

hey, i think its more insulting to be called 'pop punk' (which they really are not... thats more like yellowcard or NFG) than emo (which their introspective/relationship lyrics, layered tube guitar sounds, and acoustic songs strongly suggest) so yeah i always thought it was crazy to call them pop punk- just call them emo its more accurate and less offensive

Some slight reediting

Removed the following information which I felt did not belong in the article Halo 12:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

"Event Information The set list of the show was as follows:

Soundcheck:
New Song (Take a Part of Your Head)

Setlist:
Soco Amaretto Lime
Demo 8 (Full Band)
Quiet Things No One Ever Knows
Play My Game Beneath The Spin Light
Good To Know If I Ever Need Attention
Sic Transit Gloria
Play Crack The Sky
Jaws Theme Swimming
No Seatbelt Song
The Shower Scene
Me Vs Maradona Vs Elvis
Seventy Times Seven
Okay I Believe You...

Brand New summer tour. http://brandnew.ducatking.com

June 20 - Sayerville, NJ @ Starland Ballroom
June 21 - Philadelphia, PA @ Theatre of Living Arts
June 22 - Baltimore, MD @ Rams Head Live
June 23 - Norfolk, VA @ NorVa
June 24 - Charlotte, NC @ Tremont Music Hall
June 25 - Atlanta, GA @ Earthlink Live
June 27 - Ft. Lauderdale, FL @ Revolution
June 29 - Orlando, FL @ HOB
July 1 - Ft Worth, TX @ Ridglea Theatre
July 2 - Houston, TX @ Warehouse Live
July 3 - Austin, TX @ La Zona Rosa
July 5 - Tempe, AZ @ Marquee Theatre
July 6 - Las Vegas, NV @ House of Blues
July 7 - San Diego, CA @ House of Blues
July 8 - Los Angeles, CA @ Avalon Hollywood
July 9 - Pomona, CA @ Glass House
July 11 - San Francisco, CA @ Fillmore
July 12- Portland @ Roseland
July 13 - Seattle, WA @ Showbox
July 15 - Salt Lake City, UT @ In The Venue
July 16 - Denver, CO @ Ogden Theatre
July 18 - Lawrence, KS @ Granada Theatre
July 19 - Minneapolis, MN @ Quest
July 20 - Chicago, IL @ House of Blues
July 21 - Detroit, MI @ Majestic Theatre
July 22 - Toronto, Ontario@Kool Haus
July 23 - Montreal, QC @ Le National
July 25 - Boston, MA @ Avalon-Boston
July 26 - Hartford, CT @ Webster Theater
July 27 - New York, NY @ Webster Hall"

Irregular Appearances

Removed this section. It's a mix up on the musicmatch website. Brand New has never appeared on anything outside of the genre. Exthuse 09:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I have wondered about this. Because on several other websites, brand new is listed on those albums. Including "Google Music" and "Allmusic.com". So are you sure that they didn't appear on those albums? Wieners 4:05, 24 April 2006

Band Feud

Removed the Band Feud section. Basically, there are no sources, most of it is rumour based, it's already covered in the Jesse Lacey page and it ruins the flow of the article - something that sound be one, maybe two lines at best, has three stupidly long paragraphs about something that isn't even referenced.

On top of that, I'm not at all sure that the often repeated rumours are accurately represented here at all... Nolan and Lacey are very good friends, and Lazarra's fued with Nolan is something not related to the BN page at all, and the way some of it is written seems very biased. Halo 19:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Repeated below:

Many Brand New songs were written by Jesse Lacey as a result of a band feud that existed between John Nolan (formally songwriter & guitarist for Taking Back Sunday), Adam Lazzara (current Taking Back Sunday vocalist) and himself. The story goes that Nolan went to a party and slept with Lacey's girlfriend. This resulted in the song 'Seventy Times Seven' which included the lyrics 'have another drink and drive yourself home/ I hope there's ice on all the roads/ and you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt/ and again when your head goes through the windshield'. As a reply, John Nolan wrote 'There's No 'I' In Team' for Taking Back Sunday (TBS), which used some of the lyrics from the Brand New song, and included lines such as 'I can't regret/can't you just forget it' whilst mocking Lacey's overkill hurt feelings 'wearing your black eye like a badge of honour/ soaking in sympathy'.

However, the feud between Lacey and Nolan was quickly put to one side when Adam Lazzara began to date Nolan's sister and supposedly cheated on her. Nolan confided in Lacey about his thoughts of leaving TBS to start Straylight Run, and Lacey convinced him to do so, which made Lazzara angry. Whilst Nolan and Lacey became friends again, and Lacey began to badmouth Lazzara and TBS at shows. It's now speculation as to which songs are part of the feud, as both bands refuse to talk about it anymore. However, if you look at the lyrics of Mix Tape (BN), Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don't (BN) and 'Bonus Mosh Pt. 2' (TBS), 'The Union' (TBS), 'Slowdance On The Inside' (TBS), and many of the songs on the new Taking Back Sunday album, you can decide for yourself whether you think they are replies to each other or not. Many of the lines used in one song will be used in the next, but it's all speculation.

The most obvious proof for the feud is the BrandNew t-shirt which makes the statement "Mics are for singing, not swinging" which is a criticism of Adam Lazzara and his tendency to pretend to garotte himself whilst hanging from the rafters durings shows singing 'I'd never lie to you, unless i had to' from the song 'You're So Last Summer'.

I removed this too. It might fit on Jesse Lacey's page but it dosen't need to be here.

Other Info

Jesse Lacey is John Nolan's (formerly of Taking Back Sunday) best friend, though a fight once broke up their friendship for some time. You can live this battle vicariously through the song "Seventy Times 7" by Brand New, and the response song "There's no 'I' In Team" by Taking Back Sunday. Although some people claim Taking Back Sunday released the song first, and Brand New "stole" their lyrics, Your Favorite Weapon by Brand New was released before Tell All Your Friends by Taking Back Sunday. Similar lyrics such as "Is that what you call tact? You're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back, so let's end this call, and let's end this conversation" can be heard in both songs, but the words were supposedly originally spoken by Lacey during a phone call to Nolan, regarding an incident of Lacey's girlfriend cheating with Nolan. In the end, the lyrics were basically shared, not stolen, and John and Jesse have since made up and are presumably good friends today. They were also originally in a band together in New York.

--Wieners 07:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed info.

Doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia. Repeated below Halo 18:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Brand New has recently announced the openers for their upcoming tour. They are:

6/20-6/23 Colour Revolt, Ultra High Frequency

6/24-6/28 Crime In Stereo, Colour Revolt

6/29-7/3 Nightmare of You, Colour Revolt

7/5-7/14 Pistolita, Colour Revolt

7/15-7/26 Men, Women & Children, Colour Revolt

7/27 Men, Women & Children, Diamond J & The Rough

7/28 TBA

Vinnie?

Accardi has NEVER gone by "Vinnie." Always "Vin". Check any Brand New liner notes for verification. Should he be listed here are Vincent "Vin" Accardi, instead?

• that is not entirely true. At shows, Jessee refers to Vin as "Vinnie" (he did at the 8/28/06 NYC show). Also, during a 9/18/05 radio interview on the Domestic Disturbance show (NY KROCK 2) he refers to him as Vinnie.

Removing some of the third album content

It was getting unwieldy. I've removed any irrelevent information and rumour mongering. It's just not needed. For the record, I have copied and pasted the two versions below. It's needed trimming for a while but I haven't got around to it Halo 01:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The Third Album

In June 2005, Brand New launched a new official website which they promised to update more often (which has not been the case) and announced they had been recording, and additionally confirmed rumours that Lacey has been "sick," "had surgery," and that there "were multiple things wrong with [him]" but stated that "most of [his problems] have been fixed." In early 2005, Lacey was admitted to the hospital where upon it was learned that he had appendicitis and had surgery to remove his appendix before any further trouble could occur.

As of September 17, 2005, the band is working on their highly anticipated third album in Oxford, Mississippi. The album, which was originally rumored to be called "Fight Off Your Demons" based on the band's new website URL, has, according to fans who attended a concert in Chicago, Illinois, been announced by front man, Jesse Lacey to be titled "The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Of Me". The "Devil" title may infact be the name for the demo track known as 'Mamas'/Untitled 6., and NOT the new album title, as many fans were unclear of what exactly Jesse said during the Chicago show. The "Demons" title was a result of all the medical problems that members of the band has been going through, e.g. Jesse's surgery. The band has teamed up with producer Dennis Herring who has worked with such artists as Elvis Costello. His studio, Sweet Tea, is a house/recording studio filled with vintage instruments and recording equipment. The album is finished and expected to be released sometime in October, 2006.

On January 24, 2006 nine demos from this album were leaked onto the internet, each without titles and of unknown origin, only with a comment they were "Demos that probably won't be on Fight Off Your Demons" following weeks of speculation over the existence of these songs. Among many internet communities, the fifth track, "Untitled 05" was said to be a song called "Cleanser" simply because it matched a description Jesse gave in an interview to Krock2's Domestic Disturbance of being "7 minutes long". In early April, MenWomenandChildren stated in an interview that this song was not entitled Cleanser, and that it wouldn't make the album. Also during the recent tour, "Untitled 08" has been played and referred to as having the title "Yeah", The live version is slightly different to the Demo version, in that the whole band play and the lyrics have changed slightly. Another new song, titled "Take Apart your Head", with lyrics referenced in the new Brand New website, is being played on their tour. It is, however, NOT one of the 9 leaked demos. They have alsoplayed untitled 06 ("Mamas") and 07 ("Fork and Knife") in drasticly improved forms, though at this time only untitled 06 is confirmed for the album. Untitled 6 (Mamas) is now rumored to be titled The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me, after a statement made by Jesse during the Chicago show in July.

On June 10, 2006 Brand New announced on their website that they will be starting the mixing process on June 12, 2006 with record producer, engineer, and mixer Rich Costey. They indicated that they will be mixing 13-16 tracks and 12-16 of those tracks should make it onto the record. They also announced they will be trying some of the new tracks out on their current tour. They expressed gratitude in the fans response and also commented that the reason they have taken so long in the recording process is so they could perfect the record, which they said should be out sometime this year, most likely late September/early October.

During a show at the NorVa in Norfolk, Virginia on June 23, 2006, Jesse announced that the "new album was finished four days ago", making the completion date June 19, 2006. During the next show in Charlotte, NC on June 24, 2006, Jesse confirmed that Untitled Track #6 would be on the next album.

On June 29, at the House of Blues in Orlando, Florida, Jesse announced that he hoped the new album would be released in October, however he gave the impression that Brand New's fans would have to plead with the label in order to release it that soon.

On July 1st at the Ridglea Theater in Fort Worth, TX, Jesse told fans backstage that the album would release in October pending no major problems. Late October appears to be the most likely candidate. Also, the band is hoping to tour once more to promote the new album. It has since been said that Dashboard Confessional and Brand New will be going on tour together.

On July 28th, this message was posted on the Brand New Street Team webstite: "Hi. Gossip police here. The album does not have a title yet. The album does not have a confirmed release date yet. Street team interview coming soon and hopefully it will answer many of your questions."

The Third Album

In June 2005, Brand New launched a new official website which they promised to update more often (which has not been the case) and announced they had been recording, and additionally confirmed rumours that Lacey has been "sick," "had surgery," and that there "were multiple things wrong with [him]" but stated that "most of [his problems] have been fixed." In early 2005, Lacey was admitted to the hospital where upon it was learned that he had appendicitis and had surgery to remove his appendix before any further trouble could occur.

The band worked on their highly anticipated third album in Oxford, Mississippi. The band teamed up with producer Dennis Herring who has worked with such artists as Elvis Costello. His studio, Sweet Tea, is a house/recording studio filled with vintage instruments and recording equipment. The album is finished and expected to be released sometime in October, 2006.

On January 24, 2006 nine demos from this album were leaked onto the internet, each without titles and of unknown origin, only with a comment they were "Demos that probably won't be on Fight Off Your Demons" following weeks of speculation over the existence of these songs. In the following months, with Brand New doing their first tour dates for over 18 months, several songs from the demos were performed with a full band, albiet slightly altered, and several other songs received their debut.

On June 10, 2006 Brand New announced on their website that the album's recorded was complete, and that they will be starting the mixing process on June 12, 2006 with record producer, engineer, and mixer Rich Costey. They indicated that they will be mixing 13-16 tracks and 12-16 of those tracks should make it onto the record. They expressed gratitude in the fans response and also commented that the reason they have taken so long in the recording process is so they could perfect the record, which they said should be out sometime this year, most likely late September/early October.

During a show at the NorVa in Norfolk, Virginia on June 23, 2006, Jesse announced that the "new album was finished four days ago", making the completion date June 19, 2006.

I removed the " Several Days ago, Jesse announced that the new album is to be titled, "Here John, Happy Belated Birthday" in a tribute to his biggest fan, John Guzzardi. One of the songs featured will be called "James Devlin's Gay" " part. This is pure speculation, lacks any sort of citation, and come on, "several days ago"? Is someone going to keep updating this "several weeks ago" to "several months ago" etc.? Didn't think so. --Michael 18:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Adding a Trivia Section

Does anyone else think there should be a miscellaneous info or trivia section on this page? A lot of the information for the individual albums could be bulleted here. For example, the song title Seventy Times 7 and its underlying meanings with Taken Back Sunday. While we're at it, it might be interested to note there that the song Okay I Believe You But My Tommy Gun Don't comes from the movie Home Alone, when Kevin McCallister is watching a movie called Angels with Filthy Souls... actually a parody of the 1938 film Angels with Dirty Faces.

What do you think?

Poochemist, 16:22 EST

A long time ago, around six months ago, there was a trivia section - I removed this during a heavy rewrite as it's bad form on Wikipedia and put the appropriate information under the relevent album section. I'd recommend you do the same. Halo 22:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Derrick Sherman

The source listed for the band members makes no mention of derrick sherman. this entire page only has him listed as a member. Can anyone confirm he is part of Brand New?