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Let's stop all these stupid, pointless flamefights that seem to be erupting on this page and stick to the important matters. And if you have a complaint about the quality of the article, why not BE BOLD edit it yourself? Nodnarb232001 17:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo (stereotype)

^This is a must make article! 

EMO IS A STEROTYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Definiton of Emo - an impossible task, surely?

I really don't see how the term "emo" is ever going to be defined fairly, as too many people seem to feel too strongly on the subject. There does not seem to be enough impartiality over the issue. Granted, there is some validity in the claim that some emos are just looking for attention; however, there is equal truth in the statement that some emos probably do suffer from bipolar or other forms of depression.

Different people like different elements of the emo culture, and so participate in it for completely different reasons - for instance, some girls may become emos because they find male emos attractive, and vice versa; it could be that some boys want to explore their sexuality covertly and believe that the naturally feminine emo "look" gives them the oppurtunity to do so; it may just be that, in a certain school, "emo" is in vogue and therefore people just conform to it for the sake of having friends.

I do not believe this issue can ever be black or white, because there are so many different interpretations and beliefs as to what it means to be emo.

Therefore i believe that all that can be done, here, is for everyone to forget their personal views on the subject and remember that they are here to document and explain as many different kinds of emo as exist, and the general, prevailing trends within the culture. Impartiality should be the watchword, for this project, surely?

--Leowatkins 10:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


LOL

I think it's pretty funny how you're all debating over what emo really is. It means a different thing to each person, so it's hard to define. And whatever you say is going to offend someone. =)


-Agreed, and that's why I say that people that describe themselves as "emo" are a bunch of drama-queens.Duckmurderer 05:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Emo Slang"

"EMOFAG" is a particularly ongoing and common phrase as an insult. I reckon the article should contain it for reference... 03:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)03:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Second that! Kestrel 19:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo Song?

Should the Emo Song be mentioned in this article?Schwarzes Nacht 13:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely! Haha, it should say something like "this is a song about stereotypical emo culture with a background of keyboard demo music" and there should be a link to it. InformationOverload 10:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from "Patch (emo)"

Emos are emotional, masochistic and dress in mostly black clothes. They form a sense of exclusion to society; a way to escape their life's problems. I went to a Hawthorne Heights concert last night - I just love their music!!! - and everyone, including the guys, were wearing all black/red clothes with heavy make-up on. I then looked at myself who was in all black, but I still didn't fit the 'emo' scene. I knew why - I was laughing. People can dress as black or hidden as they like, but the difference isn't always in the appearance> I think it's in how they carry themselves. The emotions they portray or emotions they withhold. That's what being emo is all about. It's written all over their face. :-|

Yeah, but emos don't always dress in black. I mean, I am wearing pink drain pipes [<3] at the moment with an emo top. So sure yeah, it might be pink. But it's still emo, trust me. Though I guess some of that's true about how we carry ourself. I'm here 'cuz my Dad wants to know what emo is. And it's hard to explain if you're not one. So meh.

I merged in a line from Patch (emo) (now redirected here). Can someone verify that the line is actually correct [1] , as I don't know much at all about the fashion/culture to know myself! -- Chuq 22:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that term is used, it's not commonly used (and the statement is unsourced). An "emo patch" is generally something you attach to your backpack or messenger bag. -- ChrisB 04:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that Chris, looks like its a neologism by the creator of Patch (emo). I'll mark it (the patch redirect) for deletion. -- Chuq 07:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can we possibly get a better picture of what an emo looks like? Just having a caricature makes it seem as though it can only be bad to be an emo, or be associated with emo culture.--Fabio 19:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo kids don't get their pictures taken. The bright light causes them great pain and photographs prove the emo person to actually exist, something to fight to make sure people don't know. H2P 07:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
agree with Fabio about needing a photograph. From where I come from the image given bares little resemblance to what an emo looks like, and there are pictures of people of an emo fashion (lets not get nasty about this H2P) Woodgreener 22:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I might suggest using this artwork [2] (or something like it) as pictures. It seems to give a pretty clear idea of some of the fashion accessories associated with the "emo" look. I leave it to someone else, as images are not really my forte. --Seaworldpunk 08:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Complaints

This wiki doesn't really get it. In my opinion its pretty poor that the opening paragraph doesn't mention the cultural stereotype of an 'emo' person, considering that this article is called Emo - slang. Its about being melodramatic and being irrationaly depressed or suicidal for attention.

Yes, that's true. But the people who give this article the most attention want it to flatter themselves. Mentioning the stereotype doesn't fit this scheme, so they emphasise more positive details instead. Although the 'emo' tag does strongly connote this stereotype, emos prefer descriptions of themselves to flatter them. Rintrah 11:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that's genius. We can't have an NPOV article without trashing the crap out of the subject? Visit Goth and see how they've handled it. Articles aren't here to mock or judge. They're here to explain the subject in realistic terms.
And if you care, I wrote a large percentage of what's here, and I'm in no way affiliated with anything that's currently "emo". I'm not trying to "flatter" anything; I'm simply trying to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines. -- ChrisB 16:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am considered "emo" and people think i'm depressed and bipolar. But I'm not and people just assume. I don't mind if you really think it, but don't go telling people they are "emo fags"... it's just stupid and immature.

what a load of crap, panic! at the disco aren't considered emo --Nickybutt23 06:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is my opinion that generally when you call someone emo they take it as a putdown, and it generally used as a putdown. I have never seen anyone ever calling someone emo in a nice way, or anyone take it in a nice way. I see no problem with covering the topic in it's generaly used and accepted form, even it it would seem to be bashing. Look at Jock (subculture). It is a little bit nicer on the subject, but it still covers it in the generally used and accepted way. --LordShard 18:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"emos aren't actually depressed, moreover attention seeking". That's really stereotypical and biased. I'm sure at the very least some "emos" suffer from clinical or bipolar depression.

It may also need to be mentioned that people may act "emo" to attract the opposite sex, espciall young men attempting to attract young women, by appearing to be emotional or depressed, while not actually being so. --User: unknown

For that reason I'm glad the authors included the reference to extreme nice guy syndrome. Although some girls may be attracted to the melodrama, for most of the population it neuters your prospects. On another note, there is a genuine slice of the youth population that experiences genuine depression and compulsive tendencies toward self-harm. It is interesting when the non-clinical population takes up these behaviors voluntarily, but more interesting that it gives the genuinely afflicted subset a semi-acceptable outlet for traditionally hidden emotions. Having this outlet for expression may not give them any greater relief, but at least they don't feel as isolated, having a subculture that shares and glorifies their melancholy and volatility. --64.113.93.205 15:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the comment about depressed people feeling less isolated, that's just rediculous. The stereotyped Emo culture makes it much more dificult for those afflicted with such mental illness to feel accepted as many feel that by discussing their illness', they will be labeled as Emo, and made an outcast. Additionally, with the few who do feel "normal", or "accepted", they are less inclined to seek help, feeling that they are "normal" and have nothing wrong.
The percieved emo culture does nothign but make it harder for those with depression or bi-polar to seek help. -- Evilio 11:38, 30 July 2006

This is the point I tried to make earlier:

The article, in its present state, describes the emo subculture according to what can be objectively ascertained. However, the connotations of "emo" are equally signficant, particularly concerning its stereotype, as this is what is generally understood by the term. Therefore, more information of the perceptions and the stereotype associated with "emo" should be included. Bands and adherents of the emo music are self-concious of this implied meaning, to cite an example of its significance. Rintrah 17:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just Wanna Say, That I Have Met Emo's who are neither depressed ir emotional. Nor did the cut them selves or even listin to emo music! i think this article needs to polint out that emo is more of a trend/fashion that will be over in a year or so.

Emo (slang) --> Emo (stereotype)

We should rename this article to Emo (stereotype). Calling a word slang degrades it's percieved value and is therefore POV.--God Ω War 03:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing about the word "slang" that degrades its value. "Slang" simply means that the word is not generally accepted in an official (read: dictionary) sense. Wikipedia has numerous articles utilizing similar titles, such as Hack (slang).
Anyway, "stereotype" would be a false title, as the term isn't limited to the stereotype. -- ChrisB 04:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If anything, changing it to Emo (stereotype) would degrade its value. --Switch 08:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Besides, isn't that what the culture is, a stereotype? To be part of the culture, you have to conform to the stereotype. So moving it to Emo (stereotype) is redundant. --Onias 16:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you must be uncertain of the meanings of those terms, as it seems to me that the word 'stereotype' is clearly much more likely to be deemed POV than the word 'slang'. Ax0l0tl 05:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that using the word 'stereotype' is more likely to be perceived as POV, and that the current title better conforms to Wikipedia standards. (in other words, /metoo) --12.116.162.162 14:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I always considered Emo as a part of the list of youth subcultures, right along nerds, punks, goths, jocks, preps, etc. My suggestion is moving it to Emo (culture) or Emo (subculture), to be consistent with these similar articles: Cyber (subculture), Goth subculture, Hip hop culture, Indie (culture), Jock (subculture), Rivethead (subculture), Teddy Boy (youth culture) etc--Anklepants 08:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism: July 06

"Emo is a slang term used to describe complete homosexuals. F-U-C-K YOU WIKIPEDIA, GO DIE IN A FIRE!!!"
That is the first sentence of the Emo (slang) page on July 29, 2006. – SilverBulletx3talkcontributions 14:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some people try way too hard. --Onias 14:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
you need to calm down. you have way too much time on your hands to come to wikipedia to just bash on people. at least i am here for a reason to help out people and spread happiness and well-being.


Somebody has some problems to work out. I'm glad that the article is locked now.Duckmurderer 05:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos

This page is much more useful than the music one as a simple explanation of what Emo actually means. I read the music page and was none the wiser. I read this one and I get it. Thanks to whoever's responsible. --Cardinal Wurzel 22:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uh...

Is the Urban Dictionary really a reliable source?--Foot Dragoon 01:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is for a slang term. --Switch 04:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No. Because anyone can write anything on it and it wouldn't matter.

Hal jordan?

What's with the Hal jordan? 69.247.65.212 06:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


how come we care?

One question... Why does everyone care that people dress "weird" (not saying that you people do or anything so dont tell me to die), or like to cry or whatever. Emos are people to :P

Um, like, totally, I so know what you mean, whatever. I love MTV, man. Rintrah 09:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's great, like, writing poetry about how conforming sucks when buying clothes from Hot Topic inc. and whining about life when 5 year olds work in cold mines in the third world AND NEVER FUCKING COMPLAIN. --Onias 14:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, totally dude! I was completely pscyhed by the poetry I read, in that, you know, Dashboard Confessional CD. But whoa, your politics, dude, are so conformist. You are not truly depressed, like me. No one is. I am so falling into an abyss — you dudes have no idea. It's dark — I'm crying, and ruining my emo make-up. I am going to brush more hair over my eyes, and, like, show the world, you know, how I totally defy their conformity. Rintrah 17:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I feel for you. This fag I met, he said that I actually am conformist because I'm conforming to a subculture and not being individual and saying that hating conformity is hypocritical and I was like "Faggot conformist logic!" Then I slit my wrists, because I can abuse my wrists and they don't give me logic shit. Woe is moe. --Onias 19:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa! That is intense. I cried for hours. My tears and blood (from my wrists) aren't dry yet. That dude is fag. He doesn't understand us emos. Have you read Byron? Me neither. But I tell people I have so dudes respect me, and chicks dig me. But no one understand me. Rintrah 19:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ok, i dont mind people dressing emo or conforming to "emo culture" or whatever but please STOP THE EFFING WRIST CUTTING! thats why people hate emo kids. theres people who have it way worse than you. i dont care if you act like a pussy about your problems and cut your wrists and cry but for the love of God don't expect people to accept you.Burger king 19:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A few correction:

it's COAL mines... not COLD mines... and I haven't met one emo saying that their life is an abyss. AND conforming to the majority of people just to be accepted is a different thing than conforming to a little subculture. and its CHAVS... not CHAPS. and people don't cut to be accepted. SOME people cut... who aren't emo... and most emos DONT cut.... so i don't think you have the right to post that HERE... but it would be better to post it under WRIST-CUTTING (SLANG)...... not EMO....

other places wrist-cutting can be found:

goths? wrist-cutting(slang) cutting depression

other topics to look into before you go off and assume that every emo does. Because there are more to stereotypes that meet the eye

Keep it on topic chaps! HawkerTyphoon 01:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why the f--k don't you all grow up? What in god's name are you afraid of, that you have to sit there and pay out another social group simply for being what they are? For christ's sake, concentrate your efforts on something a little more worthwhile like, oh, I don't know - CONTRIBUTING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SOCIETY? I find alot that the people who make fun of social groups different to theirs are usually no better, and frequently WORSE, than those they claim to be the problem. No I'm not emo. Yes, I sometimes dress like that. The style is actually not half bad. But who the f--k gave you the right to judge, you small-minded, petty thinking bigots? I say this of course, only to the people who are deriding emos but not actually providing any legitimate constructive reason as to why, beyond "ZOMG CUZ THEY'RE ALL FAGS DUR HUR LOL RED SOX 4 EVA"....which, I'm sorry, is completely juvenile and places you BELOW those you criticise, not above. And yes, I was calling said deriders "ignorant rednecks" with that little quoted comment there. 203.14.180.97 07:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Internet, SERIOUS BUSINESS. Just let the people who insult emo have their fun, don't complain on a talk page that they aren't bound to read anytime soon. Oh, and STOP DERIDING US REDNECKS AND OUR IGNORANCE! WE'RE PEOPLE TOO, AT LEAST BASE YOUR HATE ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN TRENDS AND STEREOTYPES, YOU MONSTER! IF YOU DON'T I'LL WASTE MY TIME TO MAKE A COMMENT TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU A COMMENT THAT NO ONE WILL NEVER LISTEN TO. :( . Get the point? (Steampowered 05:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)).[reply]
Be careful, lest you be a victim of 203.14.180.97's hyperbole: he will not merely dub his victims "rednecks", but "ignorant rednecks". Furthermore, if he is angry, he will underestimate your age, calling you a "juvenile" — the ferocity of which few can bear. Indeed, it is not wise to provoke someone so profane that he will say "f--k" repeatibly, with two letters omitted from the most profane word known to humanity. I do not wish to be a victim, so I will refrain from saying more. Rintrah 08:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody ought to point out that a right cannot be given, a right is something you have by virtue of being in your position or being you. My right to judge comes from my virtue of being a human being. krikkert (Talk) 21:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No human being has the right to judge another. Mr pseudonym 10:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By that presumption there would be no legal system, unless God would preside over Earthly affairs. Rintrah 10:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
touche. even still, though, different contexts; a 'judge' sentencing an offender, and us plebs judging equals :D Mr pseudonym 11:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We do so subconciously, fortunately without incurring castration. You need to define 'judge' more precisely, and not just allude to the biblical phrase's power — 'judge not, that ye not be judge'. I judge others and accordingly invite others to judge me. One making a decision on whether to go out with a girl is an act of judgement, and evidently not blasphemous. Rintrah 12:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? krikkert (Talk) 03:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
i just read through this... and people become so stupid as to judging others for judging us. Direct your comment to the people... not to a group... individuals... not people in general.... that was to everyone against AND defending emos. Even though i agree to defend... you are just as low when you judge and assume about a group of people.

Re-write

To put it simply, this article is complete and utter tosh. It needs a total re-write, and I am seriously consideing starting the whole thing again. Any thoughts? From people who have no opinion on 'emo'? HawkerTyphoon 01:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we mention that Emo's can't fly?
Possibly. Wikipedia is striving for more incisive information than Britannica. Poets might also want to know what "emo" rhymes with. Rintrah 07:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Chemo. Remo (as in a slang term for remedial). If you mumble a little, lemur. It's an endless world of possibilities... 86.0.232.60 10:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I may be old and out of the loop, but from my perspective all I see are a bunch of Melodramatic Kids in makeup and dark cloths pretending to be worldworn intelectuals (can you say GOTH 2.0?) Before the Goth were the Rebels. Before the Rebels were the Beat kids, before the Beat kids.... You get the Idea. Sorry EMO kids, you are not original no matter how desperately you want to believe you were the first generation to achive social and political awareness and dispair at what you've found.

I wear the clothes considered 'emo', but i don't prance around cutting and saying "I am so rebel, I am an intellectual, and i am the first group to have achieved this"... i just prance around saying... "I don't look like you... so what?"
What you just said is a stereotype. So is the comment above yours. It's almost impossible to define "emo," because everything who's "emo" defines it differently. Everybody's different, so every emo isn't going to be a carbon copy of the next one... therefore, every emo defines "emo" differently. Not only that, but in my opinion, if there are so many definitions of "emo," either most people are emo or almost nobody is. That said, This article should be about the emo stereotype, instead. Either that, or include as many definitions as possible. Who agrees?? Chavila 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An article on the stereotype would be easier to verify, but on the contra side, there would be more whining on the talk page. I think the title Emo (slang) warrants a description of the stereotype in the article body because the slang more strongly connotes it; whereas if it were called Emo subculture, the article should describe the subculture. Whatever the case, the drama on the talk page is fun to observe, notwithstanding the wretched state of the article. Rintrah 16:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emo Music

Dashboard Confessional is not Emo Music. Stuff like Hawthorne Heights is. 

Hawthorne is really more post-hardcore or pop-punk in my opinion Burger king 03:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)burger king[reply]

Dashboard is emo. I offer no evidence to support my claim because I just don't care.

But it is.

Kestrel 05:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not about Emo (music) but about the common slang usage. Because emo (slang) draws is meaning from being emotionally unstable, Dashboard Confessional is very much associated with the emo (slang) term. As far as emo (music) goes, the traditional definition consists of bands like Jimmy Eat World and Hawthorne Heights. These bands have no place in this article, except perhaps to show the origin of the word. 68.219.188.246 08:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You have an opinion. But you might want to research some more into where 'emo music' came from. It came from the grunge genre, so you might want to check out post-grunge (i recommend "silverchair") because that genre is where 'emo music' came from. :)

Needless Unedit

The term "emo" in relation to music, is getting more and more distorted. It has been used to describe bands of completely different natures, and as such is normally unreliable. Depending on who is being asked, emo is used to describe "post-hardcore" bands such as Rise Against, to softer bands such as Dashboard Confessional. Emo as a term in the music industry has become distorted and so encompassing it is completely unusable.

Why was this undone, sourced or not it is accurate, and if it is not up to your standards then edit it not delete it. Emo has become a term that relates to anything and everything music and this article needs to say something about it. Emo can no longer even be considered a viable genre as too many completely different bands are being placed under it. At least put the main idea of the above into the article. Or give a reason its not true here.

yea. emo (the style) is totally music based. That is where emo styles came from. 'Scene', on the other hand, is style based.

Terrible

This article sucks.

You've got that right. Chavila 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It needs a complete rewrite or be deleted, it is completely unhelpful and undescriptive of both the actual culture, the precieved culture, and the music.

(previous comment unsigned by 69.139.0.62)
This article is about the slang word, not the music. Don't see the point in deleting it, as it is, in my opinion, a good basis for building something bigger and better. krikkert (Talk) 21:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but the term is related to all those things

Emo means emotional?

I heard it does?Jimmy93211 18:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it came from the music genre grunge (emotive hardcore) not emotional. People who were against the whole emotive hardcore movement started calling the people 'emos' as a condescending (sp?) word. It is nothing more, nothing less.

but it is also the way things get across. we use language to communicate, so its the idea put into yor head, not the dictionary definition, "Emotive hardcore movement, post-punk, post-grunge whatever"... its just the idea... just what bothers me is when people use the term to harass people.

this is rubbish!

Im sorry but yes emo does mean emotional! How the hell can you label someone like that? An emo is someone who self harms and is in a state of depression, not someone who dresses a certain way! You can't put a label on someone!! I dress like your description and i am noway emo! im sorry but whoever wrote this is a total s**thead! They need to learn some facts and also learn that you can't label someone like that! Thank yoo and goodnight XxX <3


Guess what? Yes, I can. You're emo. Meatspinclock 01:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The irony is overwhelming...

So far the parameters of debate are limited to name calling. Unleash the two f-words and the debate is won, by coup de grace. You fuckhead faggots! Rintrah 12:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Yea, you are an EMOFAGGOT!! go cut ur wrists and cry about it bitch!

the person who wrote the last sentence is a moron... anyway i think we can seperate emo as a stlye and a way of being or feeling mayb...to tell u the truth I dont really dress in the emo style but accoridng to the deifnitions on here i am an emo... and i do listen to the music, nothing wrong with emo ppl some of u are so f***ing close minded and its so sad to see how ppl can talk so much about others.. oh yeah i have clinical depression :/....--HurricaneRo 23:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Hardcore

Post-Hardcore, in my opinionl, is just what emo fans call emo, to escape the stigma, you understand. HawkerTyphoon 12:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree (MCR are not post-hardcore. The Used are not post-hardcore. Thursday are not post-hardcore.), but that's really just our opinions, not encyclopaedia material.
I don't know who they are, but it doesn't matter. The important thing is that you agree with me - post-hardcore is not a real genre x HawkerTyphoon 11:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Before Posting On the Factual Nature of This Article....

Before complaining about what "is" or "isn't" considered "Emo" by your definition, you have to understand something: Just as the articule accurately describes, there were three major periods for "Emo" music. The original Washington movement of local and very raw bands who often did such emotional actions as to cry on stage; a late 90's movement usually defined by Weezer's Pinkerton album and vintage clothing; and the most recent black hair/tight pants transition incorporating such bands as Panic! At the Disco.

What has been said above is absolutely nothing disputable. It does not matter if you as a fan of Weezer or Panic! At the Disco consider one band/style or another more or less "Emo." These are simply the three very different stages that the "Emo" sound/style has undergone and you need to accept this. The actual article does a good job of tracking the transitions and unless you are planning to add more information to one of the seperate parts, please don't bother editting the article because you feel as it stands it's not "your" definition. The way it is written should satisfy any lay person's understanding of the three divisions. Wikipedia also uses an unbiased approach to defining an idea and is not "stereotyping" by simply describing the standard attire or musical taste of a particular group, it is merely better describing it for those curious to know more. Please take all of that into consideration before altering this article for your own personal satisfaction.

True. The topic is also controversial because the "emo" image, in popular conception, is partly defined by the negative stereotyping of outsiders. It seems the "emo" subculture in itself is not coherently defined by its practitioners; those subscribing to it are apparently more influenced by the music than the social group. As a result, different emos will try to define the culture according to their tastes, and their various understandings of it.
By contrast, the goth subculture, though not homogenous, has an apparently clearer and less disputable definition to its practitioners, as far as I can glean as an outsider.
People can easily argue about what is and is not emo because no citations compel anyone to accept a particular interpretation. It is either a subject of pride or revulsion, so people are tempted to edit it without regard for verifiability.
I took an interest in this article because I wanted to understand why there were so many skinny guys wearing tight jeans and make-up who apparently materialised from no where on the streets. This article does not yet satisfactorily answer that. Rintrah 07:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
...because MTV decided to sell more crap by making crappy bands who wear tight jeans and make-up really popular. And they succeeded. --Switch 12:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
MTV does often dictate music tastes to its viewers. But to create a whole sub-culture, I believe, a television channel has to do more than play certain music videos, interview band members, and produce television shows aimed at teenagers — at least I cannot recall any television shows which have created a subculture. You need to support your proposition with evidence, as appealing as your denunciation might be as a sentiment alone. Rintrah 15:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They already did it once with nu metal (see Merchants of Cool on IMDB, and their transscript and streaming video), it's no stretch to realise once nu metal was out they'd do the same thing with something else. They didn't make a subculture; they just took one, made it more appealing to the "rebellious" kids they get paid to brainwash, and started polluting the airwaves with it.--Switch 12:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


emo's do not like indie music i know thousands of emo's and none of them like indie.

TV is full of shit, infact all sources of media (excluding encyclopedias and other non biased databases)are full of shit because has not anyone realised that everything you see is not what is actually the most important but what will get the most coverage for example, 1 person being murdered in your neighbourhood has the same sort of impact on TV as 10000 people starving in a 3rd world culture, because media is just there to make money, they dont care what the concequences are. So we put this into effect and if they know people are depressed more than ever and to a larger amount of people they will of course find someway to get those viewers in which is why current society is an it is now.
another thing is why do you care about other people so much? let people live their lives the way they want and stop being abusive to emos, they look different. Thats the same as making fun of someone that is disabled just cause they look different. When the truth is that its actually quite childish and if you do that, id say personally your as bad as terrorists because they are following their religion that non-believers have to be killed. Well following a predujist value means that your as fucked up as them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.10.229.124 (talk • contribs)
Sometimes I feel there should be a separate soapbox page for impromptu essays. But thank you for sharing your thoughts. Rintrah 17:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wrist Cutting

Someone needs to make a topic about wrist cutting.

You can if you like, if you can make it conform to encyclopedic standards. Then, like some magical science experiment, you might find posts bubbling on the talk page as a result. Rintrah 17:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-Emo (Nemo)

Nemos are an emerging subclass of the emos, and not all is known just yet. But what we do know, is that "Neo Emo (Nemo)" is a title given to a person who once was an "emo", but has taken it to a whole different level. I.E. The new breed of "emo." One such example is the lead singer of "My Chemical Romance." Prior to the renewed interest in the band, he was a blatant emo. However, with the debut of his new song, his hair has been dyed white, and his clothing style has made an obvious change. Neo-emos, follow many of the same rituals as a emo, but with some obvious visual differences.

Update this article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Emo.

In General

Quite frankly, I find this article to be beyond offensive and one-sided. Just because someone wears girl pants and dyes their hair DOES NOT MAKE THEM EMO. And also, someone is "emo," not "an emo."

Emo, within the blanket of scene, is an extremely offensive term, and I think that needs to be addressed without someone being completely ignorant. Not saying I'll do this, but one day, someone's going to mess with the wrong "emo kid" and get their teeth knocked out. :] -Ridethefire3211 03:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of people say they are emo, but they just dress in black and call themselves emo. I have yet to meet a "real" emo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.136 (talk • contribs)

That's what I would call a "poser" or a "wannabe". UnDeRsCoRe 22:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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