Talk:Nail (anatomy)
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Lacking Scientific Background and Information
This article reads a bit like a column of vanity and medical advice and is lacking important information regarding the evolutionary origins and biological functions of nails. Why do people and other animals (primates) have nails rather than claws? What are the main theories that support the origin of nails? What do nails do that makes them useful? ~P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.151.171 (talk) 13:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Reference #2 is a bad link. Jmr30 (talk) 21:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
- Fixed. Thanks for the heads-up. It's better to post at the bottom of the page, but I'll leave this here since it's resolved. Franamax (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Medical Test
Does anyone have a source for the following: "However, this test is now accepted as reliable in young children only."
In Red Cross and AHA first aid, the nail test is a common test for circulation in both children and adults.. If there's no source for this, I'm going to remove it.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.179.139 (talk) 10:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, here's the edit where it first showed up. The statement was added, without sources, by an anonymous editor, it may as well be removed by an anonymous editor. If you have a reference to actually prove you're right, please add it, if you don't know how, put it here and I'll do my best to place it in the article. That's not a challenge or an insult, more references make Wikipedia smile, they're good for everyone. Franamax (talk) 11:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The "nail test" is actually better desribed as a "capillary refill" test. It referes to the time for blood to return to the capillary bed after being expelled by slight pressure. This test can be done on any capillary membrane, however nailbeds have a rich capillary blood flow, and as such are a good place to perform the test. The test is subjective in many ways, as a slightly prolonged capillary refill may be normal. It is, however, a good indicator of perfusion of the tissue when used with several other variables (pulse presence, pressure; blood pressure, skin temperature, and others). See "Capillary Refill" on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_refill. -JCerovac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.51.11.2 (talk) 08:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, I forgot, rather than clicking "edit this page" and putting your question at the top, it's better to hit the "+" button and add a section at the bottom. That's where everyone expects the new stuff to be. If you sign up for a named account, we can put the "welcome" thing on your page where you can learn all that stuff. Franamax (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Fake nails
What do people think of the addition to the article in terms of why people do have fake nails?
i think that people should only have fake nails if they have some kind of nail disorder and can't grow nails. Or if they bite their nails alot, then perhaps plastic nails would prevent that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.208.77.35 (talk) 16:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have a serious chemistry question concerning fingernails.
When fingernail clippings are dissolved in household bleach and the resulting solution is allowed to evaporate, a white crystaline powder results. Does anyone know what this compound is? Thank you. 71.229.233.140 (talk) 03:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Water increases growth speed?
I came to this article hoping to find an answer as to why being in water makes nails grow much faster, I've noticed it after spending extended periods of time (such as a few hours) in either a pool or a hot tub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghyslyn (talk • contribs) 09:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Heard that being in the sun or in a tanning bed increases nail growth. Don't know if its from increased production of some vitamins, like vitamin D or just a rumor. But if your in outdoors more when using the pool, nail growth may be due to sun rather than water.
I lost a discussion based on what i read in the paragraph on growth in this article. The phrase there is toenails...(which are a form of hair) and refers to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nail_(anatomy)#cite_note-13
Following that note, on the medicine dictionary, it says they are composed of cheratine LIKE hair. Lori 18:32 GMT+1 01/12/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.50.190.151 (talk) 17:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Picture of foot
This is perhaps a matter of taste, but am I the only one who thinks there should be a picture of a foot with...gee...I don't know, nice toenails? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.21.101 (talk) 16:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Balba
I just removed "* Balba (free edge) is the front white part of the nail (Alba latin for White)" from the list of terms. While I'd love there to be a term, even searching for it reveals the only nail-related pages listing this term to be copies of Wikipedia. I've also got webster's unabridged saying "balba" is not a word.
Length
Does anyone know the records for longest finger and/or toe nails?
- See 'Growth' section for your answer. --Star-lists (talk) 04:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Article rename?
This article contains anatomy and physiology information; therefore, perhaps it should be "Nail (something more broad)" because (anatomy) seems to narrow? kilbad (talk) 12:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
- The title reflects the topic of the article, "Nail as a topic of anatomy", (and not "Anatomy of the nail") - as opposed to the other uses of Nail, such as "Nail as a topic of fasteners". "(anatomy)" is sufficient to disambiguate between the topics and I can't really think of a better disambiguator. Did you have specific suggestions? Franamax (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Toxic and nails
The nails are a good medical indicator for the deposit of some substances: gold ("gold nails" in chrysiasis), silver ("Azure lunula" in argyria), arsenic and thallium (mess' line). http://coseinteressanti.altervista.org/gold_silver.pdf 5,08 MB, 97 pages http://sites.google.com/site/coseinteressanti/Home/gold_silver.pdf?attredirects=0
Curled *UP* toe & fingernails
- I have naturally curled up toe and finger nails, not to the extent of deformity, but they are prominent, I inherited them from my father and was wondering, is it a "Mutation" like a cleft chin or hair color?
Clean-up February 2010
I hope it's not just me. I intended to expand this article at a few occasions, but felt uninspired by the state of things. Today I finally cleaned-up the article and moved some unreferenced and dubious material from the article to this talk page section. I've added comments to each para removed. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Fashion
- Unreferenced and partly off-topic section. (When did nail biting become a fashion?). There are separate articles on manicure, pedicure, nail biting, etcetera. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Image:BothHand.jpg |thumb|Long, manicured nails are a fashion statement.]]
Manicures and pedicures are health and cosmetic procedures to groom, trim, and paint the nails and manage calluses. They require various tools such as cuticle scissors, nail scissors, nail clippers, and nail files. Artificial nails can also be appended onto real nails for cosmetic purposes.
A person whose occupation is to cut any type of nail, apply artificial nails, and care for nails is sometimes called a nail technician. The place where a nail technician works may be a nail salon or nail shop (also nailshop).
Painting the nails with nail polish (also called nail lacquer and nail varnish) is a common practice dating back to at least 3000 B.C.
Ornamented fake nails are sometimes used to display designs, such as stars or sparkles, on nails. They are also used to make nails look longer.
People sometimes grow a habit of biting or attacking their nails, making them short and uneven. Because longer nails are considered more fashionable, some people try various methods of breaking this habit, such as applying bitter varnish to their nails/nail polish, or making New Year's resolutions to stop biting them.
Medical & health
- Unreferenced, challenged. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Bluish or purple fingernail beds are also a symptom of peripheral cyanosis, which indicates oxygen deprivation.
Nails can dry out, just like skin. They can also peel, break and be infected. Toe infections, for instance, can be caused or exacerbated by dirty socks, specific types of aggressive exercise, tight footwear, and walking unprotected in an unclean environment.{{Citation needed|date=July 2007}}
Nail tools used by different people may transmit infections. Regarding nail tools such as files, "If they're used on different people, these tools may spread nail fungi, staph bacteria or viruses," warns Ted Dischman, a spokesperson for the California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology.{{ref|germs}} In fact, over 100 bacterial skin infections in 2000 were traced to footbaths in nail salons.{{Citation needed|date=August 2009}} To avoid this, new improved contactless tools can be used, for example, gel and cream cuticle removers instead of cuticle scissors.
Nail disease can be very subtle and should be evaluated by a Dermatologist with a focus in this particular area of medicine.[1] However, most times it is a nail technician who will note a subtle change in nail disease.
Inherited accessory nail of the fifth toe occurs where the toenail of the smallest toe is separated, forming a smaller, "sixth toenail" in the outer corner of the nail.{{Citation needed|April 2009|date=April 2009}} Like any other nail, it can be cut using a nail clipper.
Length and thickness
Ideally a free edge should be no longer than half of the 'pink' nail in length.{{Citation needed|date=August 2009}}
The average thickness of this portion of the nail is 0.43 millimetres, or .016 inches.{{Citation needed|date=October 2009}}
References
- Finally some great refs -- sadly lost in edit. The article needs inline references. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Barker D (2007). "Nail biology and nail science". Int J Cosmet Sci. 29 (4): 241–75. doi:10.1111/j.1467-2494.2007.00372.x.
- Haneke E (2006). "Surgical anatomy of the nail apparatus". Dermatol Clin. 24 (3): 291–6. doi:10.1016/j.det.2006.03.007. PMID 16798426.
Diagram
I found it very difficult to relate to the various anatomical remarks in the text. There is a very basic diagram but I would have preferred a diagram showing all the referenced anatomical areas of the nail. This was especially difficult when a description built on an earlier description.
203.122.241.177 (talk) 01:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)Keith Miller - Adelaide
I have the same thought, though whether Wikipedia allows us to create one I am far from sure. Leopardtail (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Original Research Deleted
Hey all, I deleted some original research in the Growth section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humicroav (talk • contribs) 20:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Eponychium could be clearer
I was at the end of this section and had to refer to references to understand the difference between cuticle & Eponychium. This needs to start with a simpole explanation of both: e.g. The cuticle is the layer of dead skin that covers the back of the visible nail plate while the Eponychium is the fold of skin cells that produces the cuticle. I have re-ordered some exisitng material to improve clarify and welcome feedback. There is still some duplication but I struggled with wording and wanted to stay reasonably close to sources.Leopardtail (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
See Also: Nail Fetish
Completely unrelated entry in the See Also section: "Nail Fetish".
It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesds (talk • contribs) 07:46, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Edit: Not sure what happened but some random link to an external pages showed up in my edit... Sorry. Newbie to WP...
http://www.nailsmag.com/feature.aspx?fid=762&ft=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesds (talk • contribs) 07:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Distasteful pictures
Eeaugh! Isn't the decutaneated fingertip picture (Nail Torn Out.jpg) a little WP:GRATUITOUSly unpleasant? It certainly isn't in line with the principle of WP:Least astonishment: I came to find a few technical terms, not as a hardened fingernail-repair medic. I feel that several of the pictures on this article (most blatantly the fake mangled nail (Ripped_Nail_Special_Effect_22.jpg) in the "Fashion" subsection; inaccurate illustration, only there to shock) are not relevant to a formal WP:Encyclopedic consideration.
People get extremely emotional about hands (imagine something gruesome happening to one of yours), and so I think the threshold for including clinical pics here is higher than, say, at Lung.
I'm fully aware of WP:NOTCENSORED; I'm challenging under WP:IRELEV, because artificial horror is a terrible illustration of nails in fashion, and gruesome pathology is not a good leader for an general anatomy article (because the vast majority of all fingernails are not horrifically damaged). I'll tolerate Damaged_thumbnail.JPG and, okay, maybe ToeNailInjury.jpg as illustrations of "Health and Care", although I'd prefer an image of proper emery-board or nail-scissor use along the tasteful, relevant Daumennagel_mit_Nagelhaut_und_Niednagel.jpg. FourViolas (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Suggested edits:
- gorilla fingernails instead of "Nail Torn Out".
- Pedicure picture for "Fashion".
- ToeNailInjury.jpg removed, because analogous pages (Finger, Hand, Toe, Humerus, Wrist, Nose, Tibia, Ear, Shoulder, even Tooth) do not have injury photos except possibly on a separate page dedicated to "pathology of".
- Manicure tools instead of the smashed hallux
- FourViolas (talk) 14:20, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
All right, nobody's leaping up to object, and I have a little historical support from 66.55.134.203 ("I'm thinking this image should be moved..."), so I'm going ahead with it.FourViolas (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
nail plate movement
What are the complete details of nail plate movement? Is it purely pushed from the nail matrix formation area? Is there any pulling by other areas to help it move? How do all of the other body parts that touch the nail plate accommodate/facilitate the movement of the nail plate? How does the nail plate get shaped/reshaped/modified, if at all, after leaving the nail matrix region? -71.174.183.177 (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Deleted one and added two citations, 'Growth' section
Regarding fingernail growth the citation there linked to an article that failed to specify whether it was talking about fingernails or toenails but implied toenails. I replaced it with two other sources that cited the same number (3 mm/month) but were talking about fingernails specifically. Nevertheless, only one of the two was in a presumably peer-reviewed journal and it would be really great if someone found a study that had more than n=1... --Star-lists (talk) 04:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)