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Requested move 6 January 2018

American Idol (ABC TV series) → American Idol (season 16) – Even though the forthcoming season will be broadcast under a different network, it is still the same show under the parent article American Idol, and should be named using the same naming convention as previous season per WP:TVSEASON (i.e. name of the show, and then by the season number). ABC itself stresses the achievements of the previous seasons of the shows - [1], it is therefore just a continuation. There is the indication that ABC wants to see this season on its network as the first season of the show [2], but I'm not sure we should use this way of counting season as it is still the same show. Hzh (talk) 17:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Many other series have changed networks over the course of their run; it doesn't mean it's an entirely separate series. I think you only title an article with ([network] TV series) if two distinct series have the same name, but are entirely different. This is the same show, with the same format, with the same production company, just on a different network. It should be moved to American Idol (season 16). Heartfox (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for now: I think it is premature to say the show will have the same format or not. Perhaps the ABC show will be very much different from the Fox show with new rules for the show and a new identity. Fox dropped the show because of decreasing audiences and the popularity of more pro-active series like The Voice. Perhaps ABC wants to revamp American Idol with a whole new formula to regain part of the departing audiences. Perhaps ABC will call it new season 1 and not season 16. We never know for now. werldwayd (talk) 18:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ABC appears to have already stated that it wanted it to be a new season according to the Billboard article - ABC is calling the new season of American Idol season one instead of season 16, choosing not to maintain continuity with the series’ run on Fox. Of course we won't know if this is what they will actually do, but it will present us with some issues certainly. I'm not sure that format changes will be that relevant, as Idol has always tinkered with the format. It's more that ABC wants to number it differently that will cause problem. Hzh (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is going to make naming individual season cumbersome doesn't it - American Idol (2018 TV series) season 1, etc.? Hzh (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We would probably need to determine first whether it should be a separate article from the parent American Idol article (i.e. American Idol (2018 TV series) if that is what is preferred), or just a continuation (therefore American Idol (season 16)). Changing now to American Idol (2018 TV series) would cause problems as it may require another discussion to change it again if it is decided that it is unsatisfactory when the show starts. Best to hash it out first. Hzh (talk) 12:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All evidence suggests this is a continuation. We can revisit again if things change. -- Netoholic @ 10:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • TOO SOON - Here's an idea. Let's see what naming reliable sources settle upon, and follow suit. --В²C ☎ 02:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - ABC might want to call its first season the first, and its true that it will be ABC's season 1, but its not the first season of the format, and it is certainly not a different show. The sources in this very article say that ABC acquired the format rights - if this was an entirely new or original show, they wouldn't have needed to. There aren't two Futurama or The Singing Bee articles when they moved broadcasters (the former from FOX to CC, the latter from NBC to CMT) or indeed three Australian Survivor articles (which has aired across 3 different channels over its 4 seasons) - American Idol shouldn't be any different -- Whats new?(talk) 05:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not for us to decide. How are reliable sources addressing the naming issue? That's our cue. --В²C ☎ 17:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree with the former comment. Also, if anyone has noticed on American Idol's official YouTube, the revival's video titles end with [title] | AMERICAN IDOL 2018, which is somewhat similar to how season 13 and season 14's videos ended with [title] | AMERICAN IDOL SEASON XIII and [title] | AMERICAN IDOL SEASON XIV, respectively. Meanwhile, videos from previous seasons were simply titled "[title] AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 12", 11, etc. On the lead of their season's articles, it is also mentioned that the season is "styled" or "also known" as American Idol XIII and American Idol XIV. Therefore, I believe that this page should be moved to American Idol (season 16), with the lead sentence being "The sixteenth season of American Idol, also known as American Idol 2018, will premiere on the ABC television network on March 11, 2018. This is the first season on ABC, following the network's revival of the show in May 2017..." I have to admit I'm not entirely knowledgeable about what websites are considered reliable sources but I found USA Today and The Wrap refer to it as the "16th season". Heartfox (talk) 02:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree with this proposal, about mentioning the show's different names, but keeping it under the Season 16 page to keep it in continuity with the previous iterations of the show.
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