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Ignatius of Antioch

Moved to Talk:Ignatius of Antioch § Catholic Encyclopedia and Ante-Nicene Fathers

– 142.161.81.20 (talk) 23:52, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, you seem to have some concerns with my edits. Straight forward, newadvent.org and earlyjewishwriting/earlychristianwritings are considered blogs because they are personal sites of its creators. Please read WP:NOTBLOG. Over the years, the Wikicommunity has decided to remove or replace these links with academic sources. Any content that is typed up as a claim or controversy without a reliable source can be removed. Claims written only in the lead section of the article must also be supported in the body of the article with reliable sources per WP:LEAD. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 05:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

JudeccaXIII To what specifically are you referring in WP:NOTBLOG? 142.161.81.20 (talk) 05:46, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the lead section of NOTBLOG. Personal pages are not permitted. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 05:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JudeccaXIII: Are you serious? That policy has nothing to do with sourcing. It says that personal pages are not permitted on Wikipedia itself. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds worse than what I was saying. I have always applied NOTBLOG for removing blogs as sources in articles, and been thanked for it by other editors . Since this needs clarification, read WP:SPS. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 07:04, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Another IP address contested 4 of your requests — IVORK _Discuss 03:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

5 moves about Papal messages

I have moved that move discussion (about Rubricarum Instructum, Dolentium Hominum, Misericordiae Vultus, Dominicae Cenae, Ex Corde Ecclesiae) to Talk:Rubricarum Instructum#Requested move 18 April 2018. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I have noticed you have making so called "dummy edits" on Birinus. Dummy edits are called "test edits" and are not allowed on this wiki. thank you. Thewinrat (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Thewinrat. An edit that you recently made to Birinus seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Thewinrat (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Thewinrat: How do you reconcile your position that "[d]ummy edits are called "test edits" and are not allowed on this wiki" with WP:DUMMY? Additionally, how can a "test" be something that is done intentionally to the article for purposes other than experimentation? 142.161.81.20 (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Thewinrat: would you mind answering this question when you have a chance? The IP was fixing an English variations issue on a page of a British Christian saint that used the North American/Oxford spelling. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:34, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@142.161.81.20: So... they are not seen messages where an editor made a mistake, but the fact is that they are very rare and not that much seen. Thewinrat (OS of this day: Windows 1.0) (talk) 22:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't answer the question, Thewinrat, which was: "How do you reconcile your position that '[d]ummy edits are called "test edits" and are not allowed on this wiki' with WP:DUMMY? Additionally, how can a 'test' be something that is done intentionally to the article for purposes other than experimentation?" 142.161.81.20 (talk) 23:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC) cc: TonyBallioni[reply]

@TonyBallioni: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... so they are allowed..... undoing. Thewinrat (OS of this day: Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warhog) (talk) 23:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thewinrat please don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t know what you are trying to convey, and get the sense that English might not be your first language (which is totally fine.) I only mention this, as if it is the case, we likely have a language edition of Wikipedia in a language you can better communicate in, which would likely help prevent misunderstandings such as this one. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TonyBallioni: well, i wonder how long this fight will take. like 1 year. can we stop? --Thewinrat (OS of this day: Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warhog) (talk) 23:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thewinrat, I’m not fighting with you. I was simply asking you to be more careful warning and reverting people (the point of my original question) and pointing out that if English is not a language you are comfortable communicating in, there are other language editions of Wikipedia that might be easier for you. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TonyBallioni: well, if i give you an nintendo gift card wikilove, would we stop talking? Thewinrat (OS of this day: Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warhog) (talk) 23:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Sowell

How did you verify that the quote is not in the book? [1]– Lionel^(talk) 09:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The book wasn't cited; a website selling the book was. Are you assuming that the quotation is on the back of the book? 142.161.81.20 (talk) 20:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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There is no grammatical requirement that a noun as a subject needs an article in order for the sentence to be "complete", nor is there a requirement that "incomplete" sentences in a caption should go period-less. The latter may be a convention upheld by some editors, but that doesn't make it a law. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 13:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: There is no grammatical requirement that a noun as a subject needs an article in order for the sentence to be "complete"... There is, in fact, such a requirement if the noun is both a common noun and a count noun, provided that it refers to a specific object. This is well accepted grammatically. See, e.g., this explanation from Lincoln University.

... nor is there a requirement that "incomplete" sentences in a caption should go period-less. How do you reconcile that with MOS:CAPTION, which specifically provides, "Most captions are not complete sentences but merely sentence fragments that should not end with a period"?

The latter may be a convention upheld by some editors, but that doesn't make it a law. The MOS reflects a consensus of editors. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 22:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. And? It's a silly requirement and it is regularly broken, for all the right reasons, even in some FAs (though it takes a lot of arguing with formalists who love rules cause they love rules). As for the mandatory article, you don't have to show me a sheet from a library; I know what conventional rules say. And at any rate it talks about article usage, not about what constitutes a "complete sentence", and that was the basis for your argument: no article, so no complete sentence, so no period. I suppose by extension that also means that any sentence containing a grammatical error does not deserve a period if it's in a caption? So this is going nowhere: the semantic load of the determinative "the" in that caption was carried well enough by the very fact that it was a caption under the image. So "the" isn't necessary--and besides, what is a "complete sentence" anyway? It's not a grammatical notion. Drmies (talk) 22:20, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

May 2018

Hello, I'm INeedSupport. An edit that you recently made to G. Simon Harak seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! INeedSupport (talk) 02:15, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@INeedSupport: What could possibly lead you to believe that to have been a test edit? 142.161.81.20 (talk) 03:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly enough, when I saw your edit, the infoxbox did not appear. This lead me to assume that it was a test edit. However, after I reverted it, it appeared. It has since been restored. Sorry about that. INeedSupport (talk) 03:03, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@INeedSupport: Even had I not added the infobox, how would that have been a test edit? 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:29, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@142.161.81.20:It wasn’t. It was my editing mistake. Thanks for your contribution anyways INeedSupport (talk) 11:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

David Reimer article

Regarding this, this and this, how difficult is it for you to simply use the predominant style that was being used in the article? Why would you change the article to a reference style that the vast majority of our editors don't use and don't know how to use? And, yes, they don't. I should know, given how long I've been here and how often I've seen editors screw of up sfn references and change to a different style instead. Sfn style is no more likely to be used consistently. It's likelier to be ignored. So you have not helped. I already pointed you to WP:CITEVAR. Per that, you should have gone back to the earliest style used in the article. As for others not objecting, it's not like they had any reason to since I'd reverted you and my revert stood for hours. I'm not going to revert again since that article is not heavily edited by me and I have more important things to do and don't want to waste much time on Wikipedia. But if I did heavily edit that article, I would continue to challenge you on this, just like I did with the Asexuality article. You can't just come in and force editors to follow the style you want. You aren't editing these articles regularly, and yet you expect editors to go along with the style you choose? Sighs. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then again, that earliest style is not much better. But this one is the one used after that, and it's the one that took off in terms of use. I'm discounting the URL link reference style since that's not the way we are supposed to reference. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear 142.161.81.20, I have reverted David Reimer to an earlier version before your recent round of changes for citation style. The guideline has this to say about this: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change, " and follows that up by quoting a ruling from the Arbitration Committee; please read it. Please do not restore any of these edits without first reaching consensus on the Talk page of the article, or they will be removed. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up comment: I looked at each of your edits at the article individually, and I am aware that some of them involve changes that are not only about citation style changes, but may be improvements to the article which have been reverted along with the problematic edits. However, since you rarely used edit summaries these are difficult to identify, and also, you often bundled citation style changes with other changes which makes them difficult to disentangle. As an indication of your good faith about your intentions at the David Reimer article, it would be best, in my opinion, if you abstained from reapplying any of these changes, including the non-style related ones, but rather made a request on the Talk page about it, and let another editor make the changes for you. If you decide to go ahead at the article anyway, please be meticulous about using a full, explanatory edit summary with each change. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 23:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

it would be best, in my opinion, if you abstained from reapplying any of these changes, including the non-style related ones, but rather made a request on the Talk page about it, and let another editor make the changes for you. This is perhaps the most blatant example of WP:OWNBEHAVIOR I have ever seen; usually people at least try to be subtle about it.

Regarding the language about suicide, no one on the talk page actually took major issue with the language "killed himself" – there was certainly no consensus against it that I can see – but I will leave that be for the time being if you have concerns. That excepted, given the substantial changes made, I will be restoring the edits so as not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Moreover, as noted, there was not a citation style consistently in use, nor was what was in use the article's original style (the original style having made use of a bibliography list like I did), as pointed out above. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 03:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mathglot's suggestion isn't really WP:OWNBEHAVIOR. It's how things are often done when an ediotor's edits are challenged, especially by more than one editor. It's why so many editors cite WP:BRD. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having another editor perform the edits for you isn't WP:BRD. In fact, it's specifically provided as an example by WP:OWN. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 05:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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