Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force

Help needed at formatting names on list and on death image montage

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• Aviator deaths in Je Sais Tout on 15 August 1912
• aviator deaths in Je Sais Tout on 15 August 1912, image 2
• Aeroplane Victims Now Number 100 in the New York Times on October 15, 1911
• Aeroplane Victims Now Number 200 in the New York Times on October 16, 1912

Willy waving

Probably time we added something to the guidelines about all the "my accident is bigger than yours" entries, nearly at the point of "This accident is the 34th deadliest with people wearing red socks and the 678th deadlist involving green-painted aircraft. Any thoughts? MilborneOne (talk) 11:10, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Much of this cruft comes under WP:OR and can be removed on that basis....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree with both those ideas and would add WP:TRIVIA, but since this is becoming an increasing problem I think we need to directly spell it out in the guidelines. - Ahunt (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I will try and work up some words to add, it may by noteworthy if it was the deadlist for the aircraft type or airline and that is often reported but the rest is guff. MilborneOne (talk) 11:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I have started removing this cruft from some articles under- Trivia, WP:OR, or unreferenced or some combination of the three. For example Iran Aseman Airlines Flight 3704 where the source is ASN where somebody adds up a table for the information....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:50, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Lokomotiv Yaroslavl plane crash‎ article title

Discussion at Talk:Lokomotiv_Yaroslavl_plane_crash#Proposed_move_Lokomotiv_Yaroslavl_plane_crash_to_Yak-Service_Flight_9633. Someone has found a flight number for the flight and is suggesting a move to use the flight number. IMO, using a flight number is kind of dubious for a charter flight, but I'd appreciate some more opinions. The flight number does not seem to have a reference either. Thanks. Alaney2k (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

List of aircraft accidents at Eglin Air Force Base

This article has numerous problems

1- It names, and also tells where they are from in some cases, crash victims. The WikiProject guideline says we don't name victims unless they have a article. WP:NOTMEMORIAL may also apply. 2- Entries for crashes that happened at other air bases, the bahamas, the gulf of mexico (and admittedly miles away from Eglin). 3- Many entries have this website[1] as its source. It is a personal website. Does it pass WP:RS?

I need some guidance. This edit of mine[2] removed things definitely not Eglin....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:57, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Dominicana Flight 603

This article was moved from Dominicana DC-9 air disaster to its present name about two years ago. The basis for the page move is this[3]]. Unfortunately that is a blogspot and per WP:SPS would not be a reliable source. Should the article be moved back or is there a WP reliable source out there that says this is Flight 603. I'll ping @AntonioMartin: who is the editor who did the page move....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

As per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force#Accident_article_naming_conventions the current title seems okay unless there is a reason to move it from there. - Ahunt (talk) 12:52, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ahunt: What is the proof the flight was 603? The person who made the page move justified it on the basis of a blogspot blog. ASN[4] has no flight number for this accident....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

The article makes it sound like it was a scheduled flight and probably would have had a flight number, but quite right we need a reliable source for the flight number. Most of the refs I found in a search seem to be Wikipedia mirrors (and there is the danger, that so many sites copy us, that this will become a fact in time if we keep it.) - Ahunt (talk) 13:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Although this was the worst accident in Dominican aviation history, given the country's poverty and small size, I suspect it'd be hard to find reliable printed sources outside the Dominican Republic. The blog posting claimed that some of its information was sourced from the national archives, but of course we can't simply take it on its word.

For what it's worth, a Dominicana timetable for 11 September 1970, seven months after the accident, lists a flight 603 from Santo Domingo to San Juan, scheduled for Fridays and Sundays. The accident was on a flight from Santo Domingo to San Juan on February 15, a Sunday. In fact, all the flights listed have three-digit numbers, with 60x being used for Santo Domingo-San Juan and 30x for Santo Domingo-Miami. (However, the accident was on a DC-9, while the timetable only lists Electras. Perhaps there was a fleet substitution after the accident?) I'm sure this isn't a reliable source by our standards, but I just wanted to point it out. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@MilborneOne:, @Mjroots:, @YSSYguy:, would any of you like to weigh in on this?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:46, 8 May 2018 (UTC)