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Panjang/panjai

Can anyone confirm the difference between the two spellings? Panjang is the correct Malay spelling so I'm guessing Panjai is the Indonesian spelling but perhaps it's the Iban spelling. If you know, go ahead and update the article... Nil Einne 17:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I remember "panjai" is indeed the Iban version of the Malay "panjang". Iban and Malay are closely related languages, whilst Indonesian and Malay are rather a political exageration of originaly dialect level differences. By now the gap may have become considerable larger though. In the Punan article there is yet another local word used to describe a longhouse: "Luvok".
See this article for the usage in Bahasa Melayu ms:Rumah panjang but note also this one for usage in Indonesian id:Suku Dayak Mualang (search for the string rumah and you will find this: "Rumah Panjai ( rumah panggung yang panjang )" with "panjai" beeing the local version used by this ethnic group and "panjang" the official indonesian version just as it is used some lines further down in the same text). T.woelk 09:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nil Einne Panjai is the Iban word for its malay equilavent of "panjang" or "long" in english.I'm not so sure about the word "Luvok",but I'm pretty sure that "Panjai" is what Iban use to describe "Long" or "Panjang", if there is another word for it;might just be from a different ethnic group of the dayaks,which speaks a totally different dialect than the Ibans :)

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English>>long Malay>>panjang Iban>>panjai

it is that simple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.75.62.14 (talk) 06:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I can confirm that spelling. "Panjai" is the definition for long, as in "rumah panjai" for long house. "Lubok" is a deep section of a river, however most usage such as "Lubok Antu" is the name for a district in Sarawak. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.1.44 (talk) 10:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

REDRAFTING

Nuju Matthew Timbang

Sebedau aku nulis karangan tenya, I'd like to say that the Article in question needs some serious re-editing. Hopefully, this should be done in a few weeks, time allowing.

Tuai 21:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nuju Tuai

Yo, thanks for the reminder, but this article is not started by me and I think I need everybody's help in improving this article. This article is clearly written if not coppied, from one of Benedict Sandin's work or from The Sarawak Museum Journal. Some of the facts here are disputed, as it has some derogatory remarks on my people, the Saribas. Thanks & slamat ari Gawai.

ALSO IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ARICULTURE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.105.47 (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This whole page needs editing

Not only is there a lot of bad grammar and incorrect spellings, but it is very clearly copied from another source, and needs to be resolved.

I'd flag it for editing (not meeting Wikipedia's standards) but I don't know how.

I admit that my grammar is by your standards poor, but I refuse to accept the fact that it was copied. Copied??? This shit is of my own, you cock sucking son of a b**ch!!! If you're so smart, why don't you do something about it rather than exposing your retardness by saying: I'd flag it for editing (not meeting Wikipedia's standards) but I don't know how. The previous section Iban history was copied (by someone else) from a book which is the Sarawak Museum Journal, but I have made massive changes. If you are so upright brave and correct, don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes, which is a Wikipedia standard when you post (in your case, retarded) comments here. F**k you! (Matt McSales 03:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)) You certainly know nuts about the Iban people, their history, way of life and their cultural heritage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.93.152.12 (talk) 15:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing nuts is better than being like you; not knowing anything, which is as close to stupidity and retardedness. Get a life, loser.Matt McSales (talk) 11:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

manusia (man)

"The origin of the name Iban is a mystery, although many theories exist. During the British colonial era, the Ibans were called Sea Dayaks. Some believe that the word Iban was an ancient original Iban word for people or man. The modern-day Iban word for people or man is mensia, a slightly modified Malay loan word of the same meaning (manusia) of Sanskrit Roor."

A few points here:

  1. Manusia is hardly sanskrit. It's arabic
  2. Typo 'Sanskrit Roor' should have been 'Sanskrit Root' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmihamid (talk • contribs) 06:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually "manusia" IS a Sanskrit loanword (मनुष्य=manusya). Arabic term for "human" is إنسان (insaan). Matahari Pagi (talk) 11:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Endorsement of ethnic cleansing?

Doesn't the article appear to justify ethnic cleansing and cannibalism? i.e. "Confrontation was the only way of survival....In those days, the way of war was the only way that any Dayak tribe could achieve prosperity and fortune. Dayak warfare was brutal and bloody, to the point of ethnic cleansing." I suggest that it be re-written so as to not be quite so apologetic of war and ethnic cleansing - or cannibalism.203.184.41.226 (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources on Sea Dyak (Iban) people

The natives of Sarawak and British North Borneo; based chiefly on the mss. of the late H. B. Low, Sarawak government service (1896)

https://archive.org/details/nativessarawaka01lowgoog

Iban Sea Dyak

A Sea Dyak dictionary, in alphabetical parts, with examples and quotations shewing the use and meaning of words (1900)

https://archive.org/details/aseadyakdiction00bailgoog

The Sea-Dyaks of Borneo (1917)

https://archive.org/details/cu31924023260197

https://archive.org/details/cu31924023510005

Seventeen years among the Sea Dyaks of Borneo; a record of intimate association with the natives of the Bornean jungles (1911)

https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsa00gomegoog

https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsa01gomegoog

https://archive.org/details/seventeenyearsam00gomeuoft

Rajmaan (talk) 14:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation

http://dictionary.infoplease.com/iban --Espoo (talk) 09:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Necessity to split article due to size

The entry feels too big and is really straining on the reader. I propose splitting the some of the topics on this entry into separate articles. The example process of creating offshoot entries revolving around Māori people → Māori politics + Māori mythology + Māori traditional textiles etc come to mind here.

Anumengelamun (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I second the idea of splitting the article. However there might be a few issues. Some of the sections lack citations. Splitting those sections as an independent article will eventually lead to their deletion if those issues are not being addressed immediately. Which almost makes no difference if those sections are deleted in this article itself in order to reduce the enormous size. But I think it good to give those sections without citation a chance to be improved by wikipedians who are experts in this topic. So either way, you may split the article now but make sure that there's an immediate follow up to improve those newly split articles with more citations, or improve those sections without citation here in this article before splitting them. If there are sections that already have good sources and citations, then you may go ahead with the splitting. Just my 2 cents. Jeblat (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the sections need to separate due to the article is too long. The author who wrote the section hope to take note of it.

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2018

121.121.14.129 (talk) 04:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
james taka faehrmann is a iban warrior co of hes bush and hes gpa is taka so he is taka he lives in bangsar and goes to alice smith school, he lives near pantaihospital and has 3 btothers , joshua,ryan and alex, his mum is iban but his ad dad is aussie[reply]
 Not done: No notability. — IVORK Discuss 21:43, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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