User talk:JoshuaZ

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Debatus again

Joshua, when we talked last, you recommended looking into Meatball wiki. I did so, and pursued some avenues there, but nobody has responded to my questions. Do you have any additional suggestions for bringing awareness of Debatus to the wiki community. Are there any avenues within Wikipedia that can be taken? You'd mentioned that I should tap into the Georgetown Wikipedian community. How would one go about doing that? Loudsirens 20:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a search through user space for Wikipedians who Georgetown affiliations might help. A quick search turned up three active editors: User:Arcimpulse, User:Postdlf, User:AppleRaven. They may be willing to help out or knwo of more people. Beyond that I can't think of anything. JoshuaZ 20:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ZOG removal

JZ, anti-semitism is the hatred of Jewish people. The noticeboard is about the religion, strictly. - crz crztalk 00:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

4.250

No email. Try being creative.

I just looked at it again and the unsourced Wikipedia paragraph has been removed. I guess they read their reader input after all. More detail is available at Talk:Avian flu. WAS 4.250 08:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2 quick q's

JoshuaZ,

I haven't really watched Wikipedia talk:Places of local interest. Does it really reflect consensus? Does it supplant the Schools discussion?

Thanks--Ling.Nut 16:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To the first matter - I'm not sure it reflects the prevailing consensus in that it didn't seemed to be advertised very heavily on the normal policy locations (especially the village pump) before it was marked as a guideline. Furthermore, a glance at any days AfDs will show that the guideline is more often ignored than anything else. I am in fact tempted to unmark it but will refrain from doing so for now. As to the second issue, given that schools have had a separate discussion, I'm not sure whether it would supplant it. My instincts would say no simply because we have a lot of school interested editors who seem to view that as arguably separate from general local concerns. JoshuaZ 21:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again I confess to not having studied it carefully. And am probably not going to... but each passing day the consensus tag is there adds credibility to its claim that it reflects consensus. Maybe.. I duno rather than removing the tag, it should be straw polled again, or removed pending advertising the debate somewhere... I dunno... but I have tests Monday and Tuesday and have already spent too much time on Wikipedia. ;-) --Ling.Nut 21:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See, they're quoting WP:LOCAL and saying that deletion is off the table. Told you so. --Ling.Nut 22:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you point me to where this is occuring? JoshuaZ 00:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Schools3. Unless I misunderstood. I am taking quick looks while studying. --Ling.Nut 00:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Concerning Doll Graveyard

Thanks for clearing that up. Seems a user decides to tag as retaliation and I try to remove it, forgetting that according to wikipedia policy, I can't. That'll teach me to remember what I post. Thanks again! -WarthogDemon 00:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Brandt article

As you can see from my history I only recently started adding or editing on Wikipedia. From what I've read it appears that you have a great deal of experience. I hope that this is the proper way of contacting you about the Brandt article.

I have two questions:

1) Although Brandt's website is on the "blacklist," I noticed that there are already links to his site in his biography. Would it be more appropriate to find a way to include the links rather than the asterisks that I used to replace his URL?

2) His biography has a theme showing his "criticisms." Based on his comment posted on Slashdot should a new heading be created titled "Criticism of Slashdot?"

Thanks, - Drew

Thanks for taking the time to discuss wiki policies with me. My point is that the article was already making value judgements because it said that Jayson Blair "fabricatesd" (i.e. intentionally falsified) news stories. I'm not sure how saying he conned people is any more POV (your points about redundancy however were valid). As for assuming good faith; I agree its counter productive to discuss personal agendas, as it just makes users defensive. Timelist 03:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well there are independent sources that say he conned the NY Times, but I see your point: "Conned" sounds more negative, and we should only report such judgements in the form of directly cited quotes, not statements of facts. Timelist 03:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Username

You said:

I strongly suggest you change your username per WP:USERNAME which forbids inflammatory usernames. JoshuaZ 07:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

May I ask what's inflammatory about my real name and year of birth? Drew88 07:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it. 88 stands for 88? I was indeed born in 1988 and I'm 18 years old. How is the number 88 related to my topic of preference (whatever my topic of preference is)? Drew88 07:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is merely a theory, but some people might mistake the 88 part for a racist acronym 'HH', which stands for 'Heil Hitler' ADL.org page: 88. Keep in mind any racist symbology in a username is a good indication of a vandal-only account, which may explain the mistaken trigger-happy warnings. I'm sorry you caught the flak you did, but I hope you don't let it slow you down in your editing Wikipedia. E. Sn0 =31337= 07:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

E. Sn0, almost all of Drew's edits are to nazi related topics. It is very hard to believe he doesn't know what it stands for. JoshuaZ 07:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was assuming good faith without evidence either way. E. Sn0 =31337= 07:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly did not know what 88 stood for. And none of my edits are related to nazi-related topics, unless of course, you consider anything race-related to be so. Drew88 07:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would appear JZ (JayZ? *snicker!*) is correct: Your edits do seem to have a preponderance toward nazi-related topics, such as Holocaust Denial and right-wing authoritarian regimes. There is still reason to suspect you. E. Sn0 =31337= 08:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check his user page. He has a commentary on there that may be considered inflammatory. E. Sn0 =31337= 08:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can't be serious. Drew88 08:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your message

I'm sure KC doesn't require knights to come to her aid. Regards Arniep 18:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, look, KC completely unreasonably threatened to block me for marking an account as a sockpuppet when it has been agreed that the person in question was part of a campaign to place false information in Wikipedia to promote an obscure actor and the student film he was appearing in. I had put a large amount of time in researching this and putting a stop to it and the fact that KC just jumped in threatening to block me and accusing me of harrassing one of the very people involved in it without even talking to me was completely unacceptable. She previously had followed me to an obscure page which she had never edited and proceeded to take completely the opposite side straight after a previous dispute. It is therefore completely unfair to say that I have no reason to suspect ill will when she posted a message asking me to archive my page when she has shown such hostility to me in the past. Arniep 18:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. I never said I would block you for marking a proven sock as a sock. I told you quite clearly that if you continued harassing the editor, who came to me for assistance, then I would block you for harassment. You edit warred over adding that sock template, and although told twice to do so, never requested a checkuser. That wasn't "agreed upon" nor was the editor in question making inappropriate edits. This has all been covered already.[1] Secondly, I never "followed you" anywhere. You are grossly misrepresenting the situation. KillerChihuahua^?!? 22:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ParadoxTom

The problem seems to be that no matter how many times I try to explain it, he's adament in insisting that removing the POV templates is vandalism, and as far as I can tell simply won't change his mind no matter what :/. I've told him that sure, people aren't supposed to remove the templates when you've actually brought up a dispute, (And he has, and i've supported him somewhat) but even when I show him precisely the line which proves that removing the templates isn't vandalism, he just won't believe me. Homestarmy 18:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mozzarella stick

Fair enough. I was too quick with the revert, but I didn't like the personal attacks. thanks for the quick block. bikeable (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocking of Mozzarella stick

Hi... Just a heads up: prevented from vandalizing Wikipedia namespace articles, he's now taking to vandalizing his own talk page, blanking the warnings and attacking you. --Rrburke 22:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Archive?

Josh, I realize you are busy irl, but did you realize you have over 130 sections on this page? Archive, please. At least the older stuff. Thanks! KillerChihuahua^?!? 22:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me for adding unrelated stuff onto this, but I just left a message way up the tree, and KillerChihuahua's (not mine) will show up on your "you have new message/last change".. so the message was "Told you so!" :-) People are saying that WP:LOCAL takes deletion off the table, and that it supercedes the Schools proposals.--Ling.Nut 23:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sisyphus...

HI,

Am feeling burned out on talk pages (see Sisyphus). Whenever I have time, I want to work on articles, templates, a planned new WikiProject, etc. Please leave a message on my talk page if anything monumental happens. Thanks! --Ling.Nut 02:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Science/philosophy

Thank you; I stand corrected. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from my user page (for clarity)

You do the same, when someone edits, ask before you revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdhunt (talk • contribs) JoshuaZ 03:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: my email

Done and done. Fire away. -- Kicking222 16:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done for the moment. Let's hope your email makes it through the at least three spam filters it will have to pass. I keep it disabled normally because I don't always access my email at the same time as Wikipedia, so talk postings are faster. GRBerry 16:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your postscript, I am thinking about it. See User talk:GRBerry#Are you interested in... and the immediately following section. I also asked Tony Sidaway for input on conflict handling, but he's inactive enough that I'll probably ask someone else to input on that. GRBerry 17:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Not even countries are inherently notable"

Am I right in thinking that this is an accurate statement because nothing is notable until it generates media or scholarly coverage? If there's more to the story, please let me know, since I've seen the comment in a couple of school AfDs and it seems to come in for a sarcastic response. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To some extent yes. However, there have been microcountries with some small amount of media attention that have been deleted. One of them off the coast of Florida was recently deleted and the deletion was confirmed in a DRV. JoshuaZ 01:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see the point now, although it's potentially a risky statement to make by itself, since people then start talking about the inherent notability of Equatorial Guinea or Tokelau. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think someone actually made comments about Equatorial Guinea in response to it at one point. I think a lot of people also don't realize how many microcountries there are especially in the Carribean and South-East Asia/Micronesia. JoshuaZ 01:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True that, but surely even those small countries just by virtue of being themselves will attract coverage pretty quickly to get them over the hurdle. A self-declared micronation, of course, will have it much harder. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That squares with my impression as well. Also, some micronations get to be obviously notable like Sealand. JoshuaZ 01:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So I'm a troll now?

Now, I was going to drop the matter but some users have felt the need to continue to push me. So please tell me what the hell is the problem with me closing obvious AfDs. And why on earth am I not allowed to edit WP:AN, and why on earth I am not allowed to admit to being an alternative account, and why on earth my decent edits need to be all reverted and why on earth does my block deserve to be extended to indefinite and my talk page deleted when I try to explain the situation and request an unblock in a very much civil manner? And since when is closing AfDs trolling? And since when is reminding users about 3RR (who have already violated it against another user on that day) trolling?--AlternativeAccountK 05:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those AfDs were very obvious, and I know many non-admins who close AfDs, in fact I know someone who also has a username containing "Alt Accoutn" in it who closes AfDs (I won't give you his username, as I see it is a blockable offense now). I will stop talking when I want to stop talking, thank you.--AlternativeAccountK 05:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]