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Hello Night Lantern, I'm a VNmese, so suprise about your file (Territorial_expansion_of_Vietnam_from_Lý_dynasty_to_Nguyễn_dynasty_%281009–1834%29.gif) I'm just think the man did the map is a VNmese. Are you VNmese ? Đông Minh (talk) 11:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Hello Mr. Đông Minh. Is there any mistake on the map?

I'm not a Vietnamese, but my wife is. Hihi. Night Lantern^halo? 11:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

oh, no mistake. just i'm suprise a foreiner know many about VN history. That's beautiful map. Good job ! Hope you and your family have a good evening ! Đông Minh (talk) 12:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Thank you Mr. Đông Minh, wish your family have a good day too! Glad to hear if there is no mistake on the map. Aha, actually my wife tell a lot about the history of Vietnam. Since I also spent my time learning and reading a lot of history books.. I decided to improve Vietnam into a good article like those of Hong Kong. Currently I'm still working for that article in my sandbox, but not finished yet.

Night Lantern^halo? 12:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

yeah. Thật thú vị ! could I read it, tell me if i can help you anything. although, i'm not an expert, but i'll will be try.Đông Minh (talk) 13:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh:

Cảm ơn và chúc ngủ ngon Mr. Đông Minh, I will call you if I need anything. Thank you for willing to help too.

Night Lantern^halo? 13:22, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Hello Mr. Đông Minh. I have a question, what is the current status of the selection of Vietnamese national flower? According to the news in 2013, the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) said the pink lotus lead the selection for the national flower which is also supported by Prime Minister Nguyễn Tấn Dũng at the time. But according to the survey as been shown by Vietnam Net, the percentage Vietnamese who selecting peach flower surpassing those who choose lotus flower. Do you have any new news regarding on this matters? Thank you very much if you can help me on this! Night Lantern^halo? 07:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

uhm...I was hear long time ago, my goverment choose lotus flower and that's official decision (i do not remember link or web's name i was read), but they still open doorway of opinion for people continuing discuss and choose. I never hear that thing was stop. You don't suprise when you know Vietnamese often lost many time for do anything. Importants, lotus flower effect in reality life, bussiness,... so clearly and popular; you can see it on almost website by Vietnamese, example Vietnam airlines,...(sorry my english not good) Đông Minh (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Thank you for the response Mr. Đông Minh. I also feel the lotus flower is more popular among every Vietnamese society. Now I understand, it's okay, the most important is I still can understand what you actually mean.

Night Lantern^halo? 11:22, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you want me to answer others thing, tell me. Have a evening.Đông Minh (talk) 11:45, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

oh, sorry, lost word "good"=> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Đông Minh (talk • contribs) 11:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: OK, don't worry Mr. Đông Minh! I will ask you more if there is more things that I need to know about Vietnam. Have a good day too! Night Lantern^halo? 12:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Hello again and good afternoon Mr. Đông Minh. What do you think of the article now?

Night Lantern^halo? 04:38, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Night Lantern ! so sorry, i'm spending almost my wikipedia-time on wikipedia Vietnamese, I don't see your message until today. I was read your article, that's good: it's neutral, many information, easily to understand,...good job. But have a few problems i want to say: 5 notes.

1. At year 206 BC, Qin dynasty collapsed, Zhao Tuo begin established his kingdom, from a part of Qin empire. 179 BC, Zhao Tuo defeated An Dương Vương, not year 207 BC. The year 179 BC, Âu Lạc fall. Done

2. Chinese (Hoa people) leave Vietnam because communist policies: nationalization of property, confiscation their property to share for many poor, include land, property at city. It's not because reason of war between China and Vietnam. Hoa people do not anti their goverment Vietnam because China. Done

3. Describe communist in Vietnam at time today is wrong. That's wrong. So long time Vietnam was give up communism dream. Communist party, oh! they throw their dream to waste basket so long time, maybe the year 1980s or maybe at time Soviet Union BÙM BÙM. How can communism idea living until today (but, i don't hope you write this thing in your article). Now, we living in 21 century, right ? Done

4. Elements of Champa culture and Khmer culture more effective in Vietnam, at south Vietnam. Don't ignore 2 important things. And, thats reason make South Vietnamese and South Vietnam culture many differents north Vietnamese and North Vietnam culture. Done

5. And about Education: that's free for poor families, free part or free total depending poor level, (call: Chế độ miễn giảm học phí). And with student, national bank have lend program for students at university. After 5 years I'm leave my universty I'm not yet to return lend money. Until middle 2017, my uncle help me to pay that debt. Done Đông Minh (talk) 06:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC) .[reply]

@Đông Minh: Thank you for elaborating those Mr. Đông Minh. Haizz.. I almost forgot about the Champa culture.. By the way, the third point I'm not very understand, can you show me which part is it? Is it on the lead or in the "Government and politics" or "Foreign relations and military" section?? I will fix those and add more on the missing points soon. Night Lantern^halo? 07:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You written: Vietnam is a unitary Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic. Really "no Marxist-Leninist no socialist". Today, they are capitalist, the boss of Vietnam government. They continuing their rules on government. Still they are, but, old people with new face. When you write that way, it's not different the way they are propaganda. Until today, they continuing talk to Vietnamese about socialism dream (example: Chúng ta kiên trì mục tiêu xã hội chủ nghĩa), but they living other life. Life of rich, life of capitalist, life of man was betrayal his dream. Marxist-Leninist, socialist, communism in present not dream, just tool for guard. You describe them like that it's just help describe about clothes they wearing. It's not real thing. (finally, i was say i do not hope you repair your writes about this thing, no one can write about "fog". So you do not need to change your article in this point).

Forgive me if all my answers can not make you satisfied. Đông Minh (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Aha! I think I can understand what you really mean Mr. Đông Minh. It is exactly the same thing like what was written in this story by a British media that I just read several days ago where Vietnam now is not really the old one like during Hồ Chí Minh era as well like those Provisional People's Committee for North Korea who originally follow Soviet path of ideology Marxist-Leninist. I do agree with your perception that capitalist have won the place in Vietnam since 1980s despite a lot of bitter conflicts and tragedies with French and later escalated by the US which is a HUGE MISTAKE (since the war actually can be prevented if US leader at the time can really understand the real situation) as Vietnamese early independence movement itself are not originated from a Communist ideology. Me myself even have meet many (a lot of them) Vietnamese from the north (including my wife herself) who said from their deep heart that they love capitalism more than the original principle of communism. What more surprising to me is that some of them are even not a normal civilian, but those who working in the government (including the military). I also believe that socialism in Vietnam today is actually just in the name since all these causes/mistakes is rooted from the war itself that making the change now is hard especially with "lots of bitter memories during the struggle" where actually Vietnam can be a modern/developed democratic capitalist like Singapore if past colonial leaders (the French especially) did not make a mistake by granting them early independence before most of the independence seekers changing to other paths. I even believe that Hồ Chí Minh are originally not a Communist but "was forced by the situation to become" since it is hard to remove French colonial administrator at the time. Maybe today it is hard for Vietnam to transform like (Mongolian People's Republic → Mongolia in the Mongolian Revolution of 1990), (Soviet Union → Russia and most Eastern Europe countries) in the Dissolution of the Soviet Union), (Socialist Republic of Romania → Romania in the Romanian Revolution) and even like how (East Germany choose to merging with West Germany which is much prosper in wealth at the time) but I really believe that one day they can (together like the current situation of North Korea and South Korea) if most Vietnamese be in the north, central and even south especially those in the government want a real change since the change itself doesn't mean that they need to forget all of the independence fighters be it if the freedom seekers are from different ideologies of Communist or Democratic, they still can celebrate anniversary just like how Russia celebrating today since the real key for transformation itself are not from an invasion by other countries but it can only be done by their own people, the Vietnamese itself (those in power especially if they want a change from their deep heart). About the one that I wrote with that ideology is actually because of the source from the Vietnamese government website itself stating Vietnam remain committed with the socialist ideology despite I know the reality is actually like the one you tell me. Don't worry since there is also a sentence in that section that mentioning Vietnam as a country with "Capitalist within Socialist ideology". Sorry for replying with a long messages too since I have been emotional when reading a lot of Vietnamese history books especially with that many cruel stories of massacres in long wars by which all of that can actually be prevented if the colonisers especially the French and later US leaders at the time can understand the problem roots and be like how the British treating their colonies especially like how Hong Kong and Singapore become today despite I also understand that not everything in colonialism is perfect but at least Vietnam should not suffering like that moreover with the hurtful legacy of Agent Orange that still stays for almost 4 million of Vietnamese generations today. Night Lantern^halo? 12:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry, I don't think so. Vietnam and USA government, they try repair history, they liar, them both:

1.Vietnam government, include Hồ Chí Minh was infatuated communism. After 30 April 1975, they try to build everything in VN with willing: human and society change to communism, socialism according the way that they choose. that's a wonder dream, beautiful dream, best dream in world everybody should be touch. They don't care many people do not agree that life. After all defeated they painting them like the man "Bất đắc dĩ" (so sorry, i do not know in english this word what it is. But, if you are Chinese you can understand, althouh i can't write this word by Chinese language, i'm think similar meant: the man have no choice).

2.USA government they come VN 25 years, include time of fight during 8 years with 2,7 milion mans serve in their military, throw 5 milions ton bomb. They used strong power for through mind and high determination. After war, present they try painting America government not clearly about VN, Oh, so suprise when a great nation rushed in a random place on the Earth and do not know clearly what they do. They like a kid, right ?

Now, they both shake hands for ally relation, now both try repair history: a man no choice and a man no through knowledge. Oh la la la.... Đông Minh (talk) 01:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

America government involved in Vietnam from 1945 to 1975, 30 years, oh, almost 1/3 century, so they have many time to understand about Vietnam. How can everybody believe in their words they have no understand through.

Just, VN & USA leave history they was, to behind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Đông Minh (talk • contribs) 01:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Right Mr. Đông Minh. For me, both sides really had make a big mistake. If you have some free time to read book, you can read this newly released book with the title Vietnam: An Epic History of a Divisive War 1945-1975. Just to let you remind too that those five points you elaborate to me have been fixed. I will look more on the other parts but now I have other important works to do in the evening until night.

Night Lantern^halo? 07:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh i know, i saw, you are the [user has pending changes reviewer rights on the English Wikipedia], so you very busy. good evening and good job ! Đông Minh (talk) 11:17, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: It is my pleasure Mr. Đông Minh. I am happy and glad to help in the article expansion.

Good afternoon and wish you and your family have a good day too. Night Lantern^halo? 04:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removing vandalism

Hello, and thank you for removing vandalism from Open-source software. We appreciate this, but unfortunately your edit was not successful in restoring the article to its pre-vandalised state. For future reference, it is better to deal with vandalism by checking the article's page history to determine how it appeared before it was vandalised. You can then restore the whole article, or the relevant part of it, to an appropriate earlier version. If you simply delete the visible vandalism then any content removed or overwritten by the vandal is lost. See How to deal with vandalism for details. Thank you.—J. M. (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@J. M.: Hello and goodnight Mr. J. M., thank you for reminding me. It seems I forgot to re-adding the space after removing vandalism. Night Lantern^halo? 13:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Vietnam

The article Vietnam you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Vietnam for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

about your Vietnam map

Hi @Night Lantern: ! What happened with your file (Territorial_expansion_of_Vietnam_from_Lý_dynasty_to_Nguyễn_dynasty_%281009–1834%29.gif) ? Đông Minh (talk) 09:01, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: I see the map have been undergoing modification by Mr. Doãn Hiệu (talk · contribs) where he correcting the border area. But the new GIF he upload is too big and exceeding the limit thus Wikimedia cannot published the file correctly. I think he should remove the red map in the right because it is unnecessary. What do you think about his recent modification? Is there any wrong information aside from the technical issues? Night Lantern^halo? 06:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Night Lantern: waiting me a little time, i'm check it now. Đông Minh (talk) 10:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Night Lantern: now I'm think I can understand, what does it mean. I was read many books about Vietnam history and had seen many maps of VN history too. Some documents in thats talk about far border of vietnam to the west it's Mekong river, local today border between Thailand and Laos. But, first, no one know exactly borders of Vietnam in history where it is, no one. Second, maximum size of Vietnam in Laos's territory and Campuchia's territory that's not real propertys, it just tribute-states, many small kingdom on Laos and Campuchia tribute to Vietnamese's emperor, they still independents. The map in right side only a color that mean Vietnam have all territorys in red, that's wrong. When Vietnamese have any territorys, they will never lost it easily, without they have not own it in a real way. I'm think the map in red just the map of a man fuller nationalism, and it should be delete. Đông Minh (talk) 11:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...and about the map in the left side it can be accept in present, this time I can not check it carefuly, want many time and many document, I can not. Đông Minh (talk) 11:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Yes, Mr. Đông Minh. To find the oldest records for example the map on the extent of ancient Vietnamese kingdoms is hard since if there is even any map on that, probably have been destroyed through wars or various other causes. That is also the reason I am postponing the good article further rewriting since I need to read more about Vietnamese ancient history. But don't worry, that article will always in my to-do list. Now I am going to try expanding other articles for a while before returning to rewrite Vietnam article. About Mr. Doãn Hiệu, maybe you can discuss with him directly in his Wikimedia Commons talkpage here since I saw him are more active there than in Wikipedia English. Night Lantern^halo? 05:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and another thing.. if it won't be too much for you... Do you know any Vietnamese movies about their ancient history especially with their encounter with the Chinese kingdoms? From my observation.. I've seen plenty of movies about Korean-Chinese kingdoms encounter, Korean-Japanese kingdoms encounter, Korean-Mongolian kingdoms encounter, Japanese-Chinese kingdoms encounter, Japanese-Korean kingdoms encounter, Mongolian-Chinese kingdoms encounter, Mongolian-Japanese kingdoms encounter and Mongolian-Korean kingdoms encounter in many movies produced by the involved countries.. But it is rare to me to see Vietnamese-Chinese kingdoms encounter, the only thing I have seen is the movie on the modern wars with America and China, and a movie documentary on Vietnamese story in Kampuchea (Cambodia).. Probably there is a movie on the Chinese-Vietnamese encounter, but I didn't found it yet. Night Lantern^halo? 05:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Night Lantern: You was talk him and him doesn't answer you, right ?

about movie, which period ? Đông Minh (talk) 05:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Probably he rather to talk more in Vietnamese than using English because based on his edit summary on the map also he only write using Vietnamese. Umm, to be specific mostly related on the first, second and third Chinese domination of Vietnam. Night Lantern^halo? 05:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

now, i'm busy i must be out. OK, I will talk him about this thing on his Vietnamese talk page, if he no answer me, you can cut the red map or guide me do it. Đông Minh (talk) 05:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Copy that. You can ask him to remove the red part too actually. If he didn't response to your message for such a long time or doesn't want to discuss about the sudden change, you can just click the revert button. Night Lantern^halo? 06:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was send him a message; about movie, Chinese domination of Vietnam period, until today i'm not yet watched any good movies realy. Some movies I has seen when i'm a child I can not find it, because it just used on Television program, you now that not mean every thing can find on internet, that so long years ago, and more, almost movies about Vietnam history until 19 century it's not good, simple, almost show scences like a tourism's movie. And it used Vietnamese language, how can you understand ours language. I will try to find it and talk this thing with some users on vi.wiki. Đông Minh (talk) 02:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You can speak VNese, right ? Đông Minh (talk) 05:25, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: Ahaha, tôi biết một chút. Vẫn còn nhiều điều tôi cần phải học, ví dụ về sự khác biệt giữa phương ngữ miền bắc, miền trung và miền nam. Night Lantern^halo? 05:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

according to ability of VNese, you can find data by vietnamese key word. If i can find some thing 1'll tell you. Đông Minh (talk) 06:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: I know about that Mr. Đông Minh since I am also a fan of Vietnamese song. Thank you!

Night Lantern^halo? 06:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

help me revert map, back your version. we do not want update map. Đông Minh (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

oh, now, i;m think its Okay. you just check again Đông Minh (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Đông Minh: OK, now I am waiting his reply after suggesting him several graphics tools. Night Lantern^halo? 02:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

..and if there is someone in Vietnamese Wikipedia who are interested to create an article about this.. I will be really glad to hear.

Night Lantern^halo? 05:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem on Ching San Yen Temple

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Freemasonry in British North Borneio

Selamat hari, Night Lantern,

in addition to your article on the Free Mason Hall in Kota Kinabalu, I have to say, that the British Officers of the BNBC established the "Borneo Lodge of Harmony", a branch of the United Grand Lodge of England Freemason in February 1891 in Sandakan. Reference: BNBH 1891-03-01 p 80 Cheers, --Cccefalon (talk • contribs) 12:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]