Talk:The Wandering Earth

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Hi, User:Chang Kaishen, User:Mariogoods, User:Cirolchou, User:Charlotte2018, User:Getareu8, I think this below subject (Paragraph) could be noted in this Article and will be useful for reader. What's your comment? Forest90 (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

According to statistics, Wandering Earth broke the record between China's film. This film released over the holiday season, lunar new year , and earned more than 2 Billion Yuan (232 Million Euro) in six days.

"My film was successful but I don't want to speak about only one successed film and China sci-fi move could be find a new way for being better in 2019" The Movie director, Frant Gwo told to the China.org.cn

Liu Cixin, the author of the novel Wandering Earth said to the state broadcaster CCTV, "Chinese studios have no interest to invest in sci-fi films. US sci-fi films audiences have trust but this trust between audiences and China sci-fi movie haven't been exist and this is the main difference between Chinese and US sci-fi films. He said it is challenge because this trust must build between producers, investors and the audience until people have faith in a Chinese sci-fi movie.

I quickly checked the sentences and I found it no obvious problem. Also, I think they are useful to improve this article.Mariogoods (talk) 01:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Before improving the article, looking at film GA such as Iron Man 3 is helpful. (Although it is not relevant to the discussion)Mariogoods (talk) 01:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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@Wraper11, Lester1231, and DannyS712: I have locked the article for two days so that you all can come to this talk page and discuss your differences and reach a consensus. Further edit warring could lead to blocks from editing. Remember that edit warring is against Wikipedia’s rules even if you are right. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Messed up the ping. User:Wraper11, User:Lester1231, and User:DannyS712, this means you.-- MelanieN (talk) 03:47, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@MelanieN: I have made 1 set of 2 edits, and since then have tried to make it clear that I don't want to be involved. I offered to help with the issue of composer vs additional composer, because I know some Chinese, but I do not want to be involved in the dispute about the coverage of the music - I have made it clear that I have no strong feelings either way. Thanks for the ping, but I don't intend to edit the article again - @Wraper11 and Lester1231: please use this opportunity to discuss the coverage. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712 and MelanieN: Thanks Danny and MelanieN! My opinion is clear here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DannyS712#Protecting_the_Wandering_Earth_Page ), that I have no problem with Liu Tao is the additiona composer, and I didn't make any change since MTIME changed the title to Liu. But In order to keep the objectivity of The Wandering Earth page, I think the music cpoying issue must be metioned in The Wandering Earth page since the media report it, and there has been large discussion in China. Also, as the film crew, user "Wraper11" removed the music copying issue, the negative news to the film, I don't think that is a RIGHT behavior the The Wandering Earth page. I also agree with user:DannyS712 to use "trace of suspected mass imitation" instead of "direct copy" in the description of music copying issue since some of the cues contain the similar structure, similar key, similar rythm, similar BPM, similar arrangment, similar melody and similar musical source. Thanks again!-- Lester1231 (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

i want to point out that I didn't suggest using "trace of suspected mass imitation" - that's what that source said, which did not support the claim of "direct copy" in the article. I don't mind if its used in the article or not, but Lester1231, please don't "agree with me" about an idea I never agreed to. --DannyS712 (talk) 05:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712 and MelanieN:Sorry, that's not the point, the point is just wether the dispute of music copying issue should be keep on The Wandering Earth page, my opinion is yes, and the film crew coundn't remove the music copying issue. Thanks.-- Lester1231 (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@MelanieN, DannyS712, and Lester1231: I strive to keep the objectivity of the page on Wikipedia, and here're a few reasons why Lester1231's words of copying issues should not be added to the page:

1. The sources Lester1231 cite are not reliable sources, because his sources are self-media or BBS. According to: [WikipediaReliableSources]

"Self-published sources (online and paper) Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book and claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media are largely not acceptable."

Soundtrack magazine is not an official media but a self-media at wechat platform(the Chinese self-media platform where people publish their own articles, and its known to have issues of misinformation and not be reliable. More about wechat platform self-media's misinformation: how-self-media-in-china-has-become-a-hub-for-misinformation). The other source tieba.baidu.com is a BBS/forum at Baidu which is just one of many Chinese BBS/forums and Wiki's rules for reliable sources clearly says: "Self-published book...Internet forums are all examples of self-published media."

Both his sources are not reliable sources.

2. The self-media "soundtrack magazine" is created/operated by Lester1231 himself at the wechat Chinese self-media platform. The intention he kept adding the changes during the editing warring by citing from his own self-press is questionable. I hope he won't come back using another ID to do similar changes. Wraper11 (talk) 20:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC)